Today is day 4 of picking a jury. Yesterday, we witnessed the defense out a stealth juror who tried to get on the jury and the family of Trayvon Martin immediately held a press conference thanking the jurors for their honesty. hmmm
Is Bernie telling Tracy not to worry about the other discovery not given to the defense? Is he assuring him he did a better job of hiding it from the defense? Is he assuring Mr. Martin to just be patient, the railroad is on schedule? Right after this meeting, the stealth juror entered the courtroom. Sadly for the prosecution, the defense outed the trouble-maker. The judge smiled and the prosecutor said nothing. So expect more lies in courtroom 5D, it’s become the norm. If you are on the defense though, expect charges. Everyone else? No worries.
Thank you to everyone who has helped in the fund-raising effort. Last we heard (4pm June 9th) the fund was in excess of $85K. The goal is to get $120K. Please continue to spread the news that help is needed. Thanks again.
For newcomers, please know that racist remarks will be trashed. If you are presenting yourself as a George Zimmerman supporter, please keep in mind this man is in a fight for his life. Conduct yourself in a way that won’t bring heartache and/or embarrassment to the Zimmerman family.
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I’m sure there will be a few more stealth jurors. Let’s hope none slips through.
+1
I haven’t heard that we hit the goal of $120K. Please continue to put the word out there about the need. Thanks to the Captain, 3 versions of this 1 minute appeal can help communicate the need.
I think I missed June 12th entirely.. Oh Boy!! Getting ready to read more about the jury rigging that has been exposed.
Yeah, Jordan; the jury pool isn’t looking very promising. I imagine people are holding fire until this phase is completed, but when the population is 11% of demographic A, and 18% of demographic B, yet the population sample is 21% of demographic A, and 0% of demographic B, something’s fishy.
Are the procedures they followed in choosing these 500 prospective jurors available to the public? Were the 500 randomly chosen and did they know race beforehand?
a fair trial? i don’t think so. i hate to be negative but the reality is the deck has been stacked against george from the get go. the 5th dca seems to be the only entity with any sanity.
great summary of yesterday’s action, nettles. Corey is back in the court room.
first juror: E50; male.
E-50, a white male maybe late 50s, early 60s, with a hint of an old Florida accent.
The day started off with the lawyers with the Judge inside chambers. Unknown what the discussion was about. About 9:10 they emerged and called the first potential juror (PJ) who is a white man at about 50 – 60 years old – E50.
BDLR Questions
He, like most, claims to have not followed it closely. He gets his news from channel 2 and reads the Orlando Sentinel. He is not on facebook. He doesn’t watch too much news, it depresses him. He watches sports.
He doesn’t think there is a lot of accuracy in the news.. It’s others opinions. He has no doubt in his mind he could only weigh what is said in the courtroom and leave behind what the media reported.
The PJ said he felt bad for both families. He has lost a child as well. He won’t let that factor into his decision in this case. He’s a golfer and doesn’t discuss anything except golf with his friends.
In reference to the racial slurs used, the PJ shook his head at the ignorance and went on.
There could be a problem serving on the jury as his daughter may be getting a job and he’d be needed to watch his grandchild.
End of BDLR’s questions, Mr. O’Mara up to ask questions.
I read a comment somewhere yesterday that Nelson, during the jury selection process, asked George if he was happy with his defense team representation during the process, he answered yes. In a past hearing Nelson, against the defense objection, asked George if he was happy with his defense representation, again he replied yes. I believe that was in reference to O’Mara not using the two weeks set aside for the immunity hearing. I think she said something back then about him not being able to come back later and say that he had inadequate or incompetent representation.
Does anyone find this questioning by the judge odd?
O’Mara said on many occasions that he was confident that a jury would acquit George. With the potential jurors so far, even aside from E7, is making me very nervous. There are far too many women questioned so far. I truly believe that many have gotten Francine Oliver’s message.
yes, that is a great point. it is odd. It is obviously being done so that gz cannot later claim inadequacy of counsel.
There are many other points of appeal. The reason O’Mara objected strenuously to the line of questioning about taking up a motion for a finding of 776.032 immunity, pretrial, was that he felt it encroached on attorney work product and trial strategy. That concern doesn’t exist in the current context.
The questions were “have you reviewed the completed questionnaires,” “have your lawyers explained their decisions,” and “do you agree with your lawyers decisions.”
As far as a claim of ineffective counsel on the points of pretrial immunity motion and jury selection, Nelson’s CYA is half-effective at best. Similar to signed waivers and acknowledgment of risk (informed consent), the most they can do is create a rebuttable presumption that the counsel was effective. The fact that Zimmerman agrees is of no moment – he is not a lawyer, he’s not equipped to judge effectiveness of counsel in detail, and he’d probably answer the same way if his counsel was ineffective.
pinecone – the question of “whether GZ was happy with his representation” is customary in Fla. Trials, just as Chief Judge Perry ask KC the same thing & Adam Kaufman’s judge ask him. It gets into the Courts record the defendant voiced no objections to his attorney.
one was a white man and one was a young black man; and he was on neighborhood watch.
well, got some of those “facts” wrong!
what if you hear from the mother or the father of the victim? Can you set aside your emotions?
zimmie was a much smaller man back then! LOL! zimmie laughs.
Shellie Zimmerman has not yet arrived in courtroom, where she has been all week. #TrayvonMartin family and attorneys are here.
Sounds like she is giving BDLR a taste of his own medicine. She will not be bullied by him. No question she will never be a juror, but this interview should go viral. Captain, where are you?
she now only has to be rehab’ed for sequestration.
Please will someone explain what Bernie said about Red car, Blue car that O’Mara is now using. TY.
Bernie has been using the red car blue car scenario with other jurors to ask if they thought the car was one color and upon hearing in court it was another color, which would you rely on. He’s used that with more than 3 jurors. Mr. O’Mara just used it on this juror.
Thanks Nettles.
This woman is the perfect juror. 🙂
who sadly won’t be picked; At least she told off traydad.
Wasn’t that great? Someone has been needing to do that for a long time.
Trayvon Martin's parents just left court as the lawyers talk to the judge at the bench. #Zimmermanon9
please report this to twitter to get her kicked off.
Carole is an advocate to GZ. She is alerting the media and defense about a threat to the PJ she saw on facebook. It’s the screenshot of a threat made against this potential juror by one Kyle Ross on facebook.
you mean on twitter
Thanks. Yes, I misread that. He’s on twitter.
Didn’t E81 just say in the courtroom that she feared having a bullseye on her head?
Yes and those threatening her should remember, she likely carries a legal gun and her husband is a retired police officer.
I think the miscreant is Kyle Ross @VerzatileFlows. Kyle adds “I hope she leaves the courtroom n gets Murdered”
I’m very new to twitter but is the original comment not from @coreybking? That person regularly tweets with Natalie Jackson and is one of the dog pound members.
you should be able to report any tweet as a threat. i will try to do it.
@coreybking said “is Trayvon on trial or Zimmerman? This bitch has some nerve!”
At least that’s how I read it. I look for nested quotation marks, and absence of quotation marks.
Thank you. I think you’re right.
yes, kyle ross is the thug!
“I hope she leaves the courtroom and gets murdered.” These people are truly insane.
"@VerzatileFlows: “@StephLxoxo: is Trayvon on trial or Zimmerman? This bitch has some nerve!” hope she leaves the courtroom n gets Murdered"
No possible way the judge will allow E81 to be a juror. That’s a given.
But she could serve to require the state to use a strike? If so, her honesty was not in vain and now the world has heard a bit more of the truth.
Similar to Crump’s incendiary presser yeasterday, some aspects of the proceeding are aimed at a wider public audience. What this prosepctive juror said was her honest point of view, and her voice represents quite a few people.
yes, that’s probably why MOM let it go on so long. But remember, Crump and the family said they have complete faith. And that they will shut up now. Highly unlikely. Remember, you just said the jurors were so honest. Funny how they hate it when they really get an honest one.
someone already reported him to the FBI; that’s a start!
I sure hope someone can isolate and record the questioning of PJ – E81. Are you up to doing this, LJS?
I was listening but not watching so was it evident that Sybrina/Tracy were “moved/upset) by the truth so well spoken by E81 and did they return to the courtroom?
Would be great if more PJ’s were as outspoken as she is.
Thanks a bunch. Can’t wait to hear Crumps’ retort.
Sorry, at work – a bit confused. WHAT happened with Tray’s dad, the jurur and a threat?
Juror E81 said she thought Tray’s dad wasn’t present in his life much and had he been, Trayvon wouldn’t have been going down the wrong path. BDLR ask her why she thought that and she said that Tray’s dad didn’t have any recent pictures of his son. She gets her news from Channel 13 and the Orlando Sentinel.
The threat was seen on twitter, someone from Trayvon’s side thought the juror should be killed on her way home tonight.
Ty. Stephen, when he was mr_4dat (before rip_tray9) said ‘if the cracker is set free…’ something to that effect, he continued he’d take the law into his own hands. Just fyi (2-27-12). rs.peoplebrowsr.com has it if you search 2-26-12 and click ‘newer’ and look carefully enough (otherwise it’s as his future handle). Classy.
I was going to say that when W81 is dismissed, and is leaving the courthouse, some media outfit ought to put a camera on her, hand her a microphone, and let her speak as long as she wants. That would be even more impactful than a GZ family member trying to get the truth out there, as everyone expects the family to defend GZ. Guarantee this woman’s interview will be viral within hours. I also guarantee the Schemers will be doing a presser slamming this woman just as quickly.
Does anyone know what line of work this woman is in? She needs to get into honest reporting, but alas, no one would her her because she is honest and says it like it is.
yes, and also tell her to report the threat.
great photo, the look of GZ’s satisfaction and relief that a PJ can speak to justice = priceless
Attorneys have agreed in secret with judge to dismiss some would-be jurors, have others return, decisions #GeorgeZimmerman agrees with.
I think Crump texts the State and tells them who HE likes and does not like. <<< I believe it this strongly.
racial undertones? Rua-oh!
This potential juror is obviously the younger sister or otherwise acolyte of the last potential juror.
Many females seem to be telling Sabrina they are sorry. They can understand as mothers.
Let her go–she is scared.
O’Mara will take videotape of the last two potential jurors to the DCA when he appeals Judge Nelson’s order not to make the entire juror pool anonymous.
The jurors are inevitably public. May as well face the fact that the community, or part of it, is violently dysfunctional. There is no juror anonymity. Once the case is over, the names WILL be published. Sequestration just keeps them from being influenced by “during trial” publicity.
I have said before that they can all be identified during the first day just as they have already done. It is stupid to even think that anyone can remain anonymous today. I do think sequestration will keep the jurors honest in this particular case. If not, I would be concerned that “someone” might get to them.
You know when Bernie was asking her if she could deal with potential repurcussions if the jury came back with a guilty verdict, she wanted to say “white people don’t riot.”
all jurors say they can be fair. that’s not the question.
LOL – She wants to say “it was done to keep the black people from rioting!”
so there is more potential for chaos if gz aquitted? jurors cannot be concerned about reaching the “wrong” decision.
K81: fears for her safety if jury acquits #Zimmerman. If convicts “I don’t think there wud be as big a backlash.” #Trayvon— Rene Stutzman (@renestutzman) June 13, 2013
@renestutzman @rzimmermanjr Understatement of the century, right there.White-hispanics don’t riot when they get their feelings hurt.— AckbarSays (@TheAckbarSays) June 13, 2013
I disagree with the juror on the “if convicted” would not be as big a backlash. Throw out the word “backlash” and insert “celebration”. To this mindset it is normal to celebrate by turning over and burning cars, breaking out windows in businesses, looting. << that's their normal celebration.
I think Shellie’s lawyer Kellie Simms is in the front row behind the defense.
Uggghhhh….Nettles, how do you embed tweets like you do all the time? I tried it just above this comment and it didn’t work.
Click on the time in the post (grey) since the post appeared. ie; 2min ago, etc. That will take you to a url page. copy the url and paste it here.
K81: fears for her safety if jury acquits #Zimmerman. If convicts "I don't think there wud be as big a backlash." #Trayvon
I think West wants to inform the judge that she allowed BDLR to question this witness about race. He asked her which side she felt was more responsible for the racial undertones in the case and she answered Trayvon’s side.
Yesterday when West was questioning about race, BDLR objected and the judge told West he was out of bounds, stick to pre-trial publicity.
When BDLR finished questioning this potential juror K80, West asked to approach the bench. They’ve been up there about 10 minutes now.
Maybe conspiring about how to keep for informing jurors that they can retain anonymity.
In audience at #Zimmerman jury selection. His wife Shellie sits by herself, special prosecutor Corey confers with #Martin family atty Crunp.
Wow. This guy was at least honest that he can’t be objective.
This juror has similar beliefs to the prior juror. Killing is guilty. Nothing can change his mind. BDLR stops questioning and asks to approach the bench.
yes, saved lots of time.
another Bible maniac; see Hornsby for reference to Exodus.
Juror was dismissed and now a woman with a Spanish accent has been brought in and identified as B67.
B-67 says she's not sure she could judge, "I think the only person that can judge is God." #TrayvonMartiN#GeorgeZimmerman
She told her boss she has “judy duty.” Bless her heart. Cute accent.
yes, she thought judge judy who is bad enuf; then found out it was judge Debbie!
You are quick.. LOL
Lastima q no tenemos 2 lenguages como Canada!
Usted podría ser un país increíble si lo hizo! 😉
va a pasar un dia; no te preocupes!
now if only i could get down my french!
OK, but my comment was in Spanish. It’s not an official language of Canada but we like to accommodate. 😆
It generally says, you would have an awesome Country if you had more than one language.
yes, my original comment was that “too bad we don’t have 2 languages like Canada” meaning English and Spanish.
French and English in Canada of course; Me imagino q mejor de hablar en Ingles!
it’s still an awesome country, but could be awesomer!
Qu’est-ce que ces’t? Tu no parle pas francais c’est terrible trajedi.
merci!
I still remember some of my HS lessons, pardon moi, could not help myself.
The juror explained sequestering would be a hardship for her. Her son is coming from Texas to visit with her and then he’s off to Germany. BDLR asks to approach the bench and the juror was thanked and left the courtroom. Next!
In comes P-67, an Hispanic man in his late 50 or 60s
Funny, BDLR let this guy get away with saying “no, not really” when asked if he’d formed an opinion of the case based on seeing O’Mara on TV.
He describes the incident as an “accident”
This juror is saying since it’s his first time it would be nice to get more information on what to expect. BDLR is telling him why no one can tell him about the case. There has been 3 questions in a row where BDLR is saying one thing and the witness is answering something else. I think the juror may not understand English very well.
He said he’s been here for 4 years. His family is in Chicago. He communicates with family through facebook. He posted to his family he might be on the Zimmerman jury and asked their opinions.
One of his family told him this could be a racist or the case is about race. The juror thought it’s his opinion. He says he would like to serve on the jury. He would find it interesting. He was born in Mexico.
Looks like p-67 a keeper for now, moving to middle-aged white woman G-14.
I bet almost everyone here would immediately get on the computer if they got a summons, especially if it was for a case as big as this and I knew nothing about it. I know I would and that’s just a human instinct to find out what you might be getting myself into.
I am personally going to decide if even want to sit on a jury. Would I want to sit in the box for this trial? Yes, but I also know that I would be hard pressed to even consider convicting George of any of the charges.
g14: seems to have bought the “Told to Stand Down” scenario–hook, line and sinker!
1) She doesn’t sound stupid to me, and in general, unless you know the person, have time to watch them and so forth, calling them out as stupid shows a bit of a mean streak. 2) Yes, she’s been exposed to press accounts, nothing else, has a vague recollection. What she recalls shows the power of a misleading press.
it is just a joke cboldt; lighten up!
i didn’t call her stupid, but you did!
B-65 is back, questioned earlier. Says her job only pays 40 hours for jury service, 2-4 weeks is too long. #TrayvonMartin#GeorgeZimmerman
B-65 returns for hardship inquiry. She is the black female who was heavily into church in Goldsboro, heart of Sanford’s black community. Looks like she has been excused.
How is it that she happened to be in court today? Once they are passed on to the next round, don’t they then get to go home?
I wonder if the prosecution dug something up on her (attended a rally, made an internet posting) in favor of the Scheme Team and wanted her off before the defense could call her out? Just sayin
I do believe those who made it through are all at the courthouse waiting for the next stage. Let’s say they had reached their 30 candidates at 2pm today. They’d want them on-hand to move forward.
How boring that must be but I believe your right.
B65: Crump said he would pay her salary!
this has been a great day for the defense!
Whatcha mean? Are you serious or cutting up?
That’s funny!
Sounds like b-65 is gone. Could have been a good one for the state, as she has teenage children, exposure to Sanford churches.
Wouldn’t it have to be Nelson who gave 4 precious seats in the courtroom to the pastors, that will apparently be there all through the trial? I’m finding some of the PJ questioning targeting on how the juror would fell about their presence at trial. IMO this is just one more item to add to the long and growing list of appeal issues to the DCA. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time a group of pastors have been given star seats, and even through the jury selection process. It is highly unlikely that there would be riots, protests, calls for boycotts etc. during the jury voyeur dire process.
Remember how mad Judge N got about West saying the Jury would be sequestered? Ridiculous imo, she claimed “she hadn’t made up her mind.” We ALL got it, Judge N was in control, it would be her way OR the highway but it looks like her controlling temperament has WASTED time in the prospective jury selection & she has drawn criticism from many. imo, Judge N OWED it to those that have sat for GOD knows how long to be ask a million questions, she knew damn well she would sequester the jury.
Bill Sheaffer/WFTV person were discussing how long the process would take. One of them said “Judge N had hoped to have a jury selected by next Monday.” LOL! Bill Sheaffer predicts next Friday or longer.
I still wonder if West did that “accidentally on purpose.”
Nettles or anyone have Hornsby’s presser with WESH? Very interested in hearing them!
Judge Alex is interviewed in video. Judge N said stealth juror prospective should have been held in “contempt.”
Its really sad how this has become a gameshow. It won’t be long before we become the movie “the running man.”
I was struck today on how many people have been affected by this. 500 people have been summoned and all those employers and their coworkers are dealing with the loss of their co-worker’s production.
Those summoned are told very little and I felt for the guy who asked for more information on what is going on and what to expect. BDLR’s response was awful.
The lawyers sometimes get so zoned in they forget they are dealing with real people. I think Don West and Mark O’Mara have done a reasonable job introducing themselves to the PJs. BDLR rarely introduces himself, let alone Guy and Mantei and he doesn’t thank them for their time.
Take note: Introduce yourself and show some concern for the person sitting in front of you how has been sitting around the courthouse waiting for you guys to get your stuff together.
You said: BDLR rarely introduces himself
What’s he gonna say? I am Bernie, the lying prosecutor who believes it is my duty to obey orders issued by Angela Corey, my POS commander in chief. As you can see by my presence, I have the blessings of both Pam Bondi and Governor Rick Scott.
You also said: Those summoned are told very little and I felt for the guy who asked for more information on what is going on and what to expect. BDLR’s response was awful.
One might think that is great to find someone who really has not a clue WTH is gong on? If were totally in the dark, I would also want to know more about what is happening and oh, BTW, “how the hell did you find me?”
The Judge has agreed to move the pool of potential jurors to 40 from the goal of 30.
Wow. That might just upset her trial schedule. It might even get past the Frye rule date.
That was my first thought. By the time they get this done, they could be into the Daubert standard.
I am still holding out for a dismissal. I want to hear more PJ’s tell it like it is and call out the Scheme team and the State, too. Maybe that might have an impact if enough of them can be heard. Of course, Crump looks like a fool with the iced tea crap. Seriously, who is taking the Crump and the tea seriously?
And Nat Jackson’s profile picture of an itty bitty baby boy. That is just too damn much for me. Oh, boy….. Lord have mercy.
By the time they get this done, they could be into the Daubert standard.
By the time they get this done, they could be into the TWILIGHT ZONE…
Good news.
Nettles: What is the deal with the lack of protesters? Do you have any inside scoop?
Also someone on Dman’s board was wishing to hear from you about Shellie’s bodyguard.
Can the decision be appealed? She looks a bit nervous without a security blanket.
Am I being punked? inside scoop Jordan?
OK, at the last secret meeting where I control the universe, we took a vote about attending Sanford. We decided as a group that the poor people of Sanford had been through enough of everyone’s agenda. Did you hear the citizens today? They have been inconvenienced by traffic jams, downtown business has dropped, now souls are being asked to go weeks without a salary and contact with family and friends. And for what? Nope, the world-wide association of protesters knew we’d look like the asses we are if we descend upon this poor community again. It was bad enough when Tracy and Sybrina left their kid there unsupervised and high.
Shellie’s bodyguard and a Miami Herald reporter were removed from the courtroom for forgetting to turn off their cell phones. I question why he needs to be in the courtroom anyway. Surely, they are safe inside the courtroom? I believe they can return to the courtroom tomorrow.
Too funny.. 😀
Thanks
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I knew you had it in you but that is the most prolific display of your humorous side that I have ever seen you post.
Jordan, you really do need to buy that sarcasim tag for $1.99, or maybe just insert /sarc after your posts which is free. Or were you really seriously asking those questions? Last I heard Nettles was too busy in the courtroom to pay much attention to the no protesters. She isn’t being paid by the defense team to monitor the protest area. /sarc
I rechecked my job description and low and behold on the bottom in really fine print: other duties as assigned. 😉
u b funny, pinecone. I think those who know me expect sarcasm in most of my comments, but I also notice a few others do it too at the most unexpected times and it sort of wows me out.. Then I wonder if they are serious or not. 😀
If we could only have a signature. oh well, we don’t.
Nettles, I know you have your GZ defense fund requests on all your posts. Any chance we can go all out again to remind people that the defense fund still possibly isn’t at the level it needs to be to get GZ even a reasonable defense with experts, investigations, depositions etc.? I see there are some that have taken the Martin trashcan method of begging dollars to support their own agenda, which unfortunately will do nothing to help George in his fight for his life and/or freedom for the second time.
No wonder the scheme team has such trouble with factual information: Natalie Jackson @NatJackEsq 1h
@LLMSPapa BEAUTIFUL. Thank u 4 sharing. I’ll make sure Sybrina sees it. You Sir…have helped more than u will EVER know ;-).@attorneycrump
Something needs to wake them up. Perhaps a lawsuit will get their energy up?
Thank you to everyone who has helped in the fund-raising effort. Last we heard (4pm June 9th) the fund was in excess of $85K. The goal is to get $120K. Please continue to spread the news that help is needed. Thanks again.
kNOw Truth, kNOw Justice 
I’m sure there will be a few more stealth jurors. Let’s hope none slips through.
+1
I haven’t heard that we hit the goal of $120K. Please continue to put the word out there about the need. Thanks to the Captain, 3 versions of this 1 minute appeal can help communicate the need.
I think I missed June 12th entirely.. Oh Boy!! Getting ready to read more about the jury rigging that has been exposed.
Yeah, Jordan; the jury pool isn’t looking very promising. I imagine people are holding fire until this phase is completed, but when the population is 11% of demographic A, and 18% of demographic B, yet the population sample is 21% of demographic A, and 0% of demographic B, something’s fishy.
Are the procedures they followed in choosing these 500 prospective jurors available to the public? Were the 500 randomly chosen and did they know race beforehand?
a fair trial? i don’t think so. i hate to be negative but the reality is the deck has been stacked against george from the get go. the 5th dca seems to be the only entity with any sanity.
great summary of yesterday’s action, nettles. Corey is back in the court room.
first juror: E50; male.
E-50, a white male maybe late 50s, early 60s, with a hint of an old Florida accent.
West Virginia accent.
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345168038120792065
The day started off with the lawyers with the Judge inside chambers. Unknown what the discussion was about. About 9:10 they emerged and called the first potential juror (PJ) who is a white man at about 50 – 60 years old – E50.
BDLR Questions
He, like most, claims to have not followed it closely. He gets his news from channel 2 and reads the Orlando Sentinel. He is not on facebook. He doesn’t watch too much news, it depresses him. He watches sports.
He doesn’t think there is a lot of accuracy in the news.. It’s others opinions. He has no doubt in his mind he could only weigh what is said in the courtroom and leave behind what the media reported.
The PJ said he felt bad for both families. He has lost a child as well. He won’t let that factor into his decision in this case. He’s a golfer and doesn’t discuss anything except golf with his friends.
In reference to the racial slurs used, the PJ shook his head at the ignorance and went on.
There could be a problem serving on the jury as his daughter may be getting a job and he’d be needed to watch his grandchild.
End of BDLR’s questions, Mr. O’Mara up to ask questions.
I read a comment somewhere yesterday that Nelson, during the jury selection process, asked George if he was happy with his defense team representation during the process, he answered yes. In a past hearing Nelson, against the defense objection, asked George if he was happy with his defense representation, again he replied yes. I believe that was in reference to O’Mara not using the two weeks set aside for the immunity hearing. I think she said something back then about him not being able to come back later and say that he had inadequate or incompetent representation.
Does anyone find this questioning by the judge odd?
O’Mara said on many occasions that he was confident that a jury would acquit George. With the potential jurors so far, even aside from E7, is making me very nervous. There are far too many women questioned so far. I truly believe that many have gotten Francine Oliver’s message.
yes, that is a great point. it is odd. It is obviously being done so that gz cannot later claim inadequacy of counsel.
There are many other points of appeal. The reason O’Mara objected strenuously to the line of questioning about taking up a motion for a finding of 776.032 immunity, pretrial, was that he felt it encroached on attorney work product and trial strategy. That concern doesn’t exist in the current context.
The questions were “have you reviewed the completed questionnaires,” “have your lawyers explained their decisions,” and “do you agree with your lawyers decisions.”
As far as a claim of ineffective counsel on the points of pretrial immunity motion and jury selection, Nelson’s CYA is half-effective at best. Similar to signed waivers and acknowledgment of risk (informed consent), the most they can do is create a rebuttable presumption that the counsel was effective. The fact that Zimmerman agrees is of no moment – he is not a lawyer, he’s not equipped to judge effectiveness of counsel in detail, and he’d probably answer the same way if his counsel was ineffective.
pinecone – the question of “whether GZ was happy with his representation” is customary in Fla. Trials, just as Chief Judge Perry ask KC the same thing & Adam Kaufman’s judge ask him. It gets into the Courts record the defendant voiced no objections to his attorney.
one was a white man and one was a young black man; and he was on neighborhood watch.
well, got some of those “facts” wrong!
what if you hear from the mother or the father of the victim? Can you set aside your emotions?
zimmie was a much smaller man back then! LOL! zimmie laughs.
sorry nettles; great minds think alike!
No troubles, I have an edit button! I deleted mine.
E75: How many times do we have to hear Bernie’s writing is terrible too?
each time with each potential witness, that is Bernie being folksy….
Next juror entered E-75 – is a man with a deep voice.
Doesn’t watch a lot of TV and doesn’t read papers. Seems to know a lot about online sources. Facebook, twitter, instagram.
What he’s heard about the case he characterizes as “gossip”
WEST: Aren’t you cold? Is it hot in the jury room?
west doesn’t like him; looking for individuals who RESPECT the judicial system.
Sad that recent high school graduates have no opinion about things. Then wonder why they can’t find a job.
Unless of course he read How to Become a Juror for Dummies.
not really credible that he had no feelings about the case.
So he has friends who claimed they were friends with Trayvon? Too closes of a connection. Should be dismissed for cause.
WEST: I am going to object to the objections.
Bernie tries to throw West off with his objections. He doesn’t seem to object to MOM.
#e81 – gz should go home.
PJ – E81
Woman is white in 40s and has formed an opinion, she thinks that GZ should go home. She can set that aside if evidence is shown that he murdered him.
o’mara’s dream juror. e81. trayvon learning to be a street fighter.
MOM will fight to keep her.
Bernie loves to put words in ur mouth!
bernie is going to have to use preemptory. god forbid we have an intelligent person who knows gz is innocent!
smoking pot, getting involved in guns–learning to street fight; family loved him; got into wrong crowd; went down the wrong path; things escalating.
Putting it in the parents face!
looking for a reason to fight!
i think george was trying to protect his neighborhood.
calling trayvon martin “the boy”
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345190643708096514
MOM has his work cut out for him to rehabilitate this PJ.
i want to sleep in my own bed! bernie is looking for anything to get rid of her!
first honest PJ. no matter what the outcome, someone is not going to be happy.
i feel like i am going to walk out of here with a bull’s eye on my back.
good ole’ judge nelson has already made up her mind too! SHE’S OUT!
i doubt MOM will even be able to ask her anything. this is just sad!
sigh of relief–Bernie continues questioning.
husband is a retired police officer; Rua-oh.
BDLR: What did others think?
e81: What does it matter?
You’re going to have to prove to me that you’ve got a good case.
IF YOU CAN PROVE TO ME DIFFERENTLY——–THEN DO IT!
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345195074235277312
red car, blue car… bernie??????
defense lets the state get into the facts of the case; b/c they are secure!
LOL – O’Mara is using Bernie’s own analogy red car/blue car to rehab the witness.
Sounds like she is giving BDLR a taste of his own medicine. She will not be bullied by him. No question she will never be a juror, but this interview should go viral. Captain, where are you?
she now only has to be rehab’ed for sequestration.
Please will someone explain what Bernie said about Red car, Blue car that O’Mara is now using. TY.
Bernie has been using the red car blue car scenario with other jurors to ask if they thought the car was one color and upon hearing in court it was another color, which would you rely on. He’s used that with more than 3 jurors. Mr. O’Mara just used it on this juror.
Thanks Nettles.
This woman is the perfect juror. 🙂
who sadly won’t be picked; At least she told off traydad.
Wasn’t that great? Someone has been needing to do that for a long time.
please report this to twitter to get her kicked off.
Carole is an advocate to GZ. She is alerting the media and defense about a threat to the PJ she saw on facebook. It’s the screenshot of a threat made against this potential juror by one Kyle Ross on facebook.
you mean on twitter
Thanks. Yes, I misread that. He’s on twitter.
Didn’t E81 just say in the courtroom that she feared having a bullseye on her head?
Yes and those threatening her should remember, she likely carries a legal gun and her husband is a retired police officer.
I think the miscreant is Kyle Ross @VerzatileFlows. Kyle adds “I hope she leaves the courtroom n gets Murdered”
I’m very new to twitter but is the original comment not from @coreybking? That person regularly tweets with Natalie Jackson and is one of the dog pound members.
you should be able to report any tweet as a threat. i will try to do it.
@coreybking said “is Trayvon on trial or Zimmerman? This bitch has some nerve!”
At least that’s how I read it. I look for nested quotation marks, and absence of quotation marks.
Thank you. I think you’re right.
yes, kyle ross is the thug!
“I hope she leaves the courtroom and gets murdered.” These people are truly insane.
No possible way the judge will allow E81 to be a juror. That’s a given.
But she could serve to require the state to use a strike? If so, her honesty was not in vain and now the world has heard a bit more of the truth.
Similar to Crump’s incendiary presser yeasterday, some aspects of the proceeding are aimed at a wider public audience. What this prosepctive juror said was her honest point of view, and her voice represents quite a few people.
yes, that’s probably why MOM let it go on so long. But remember, Crump and the family said they have complete faith. And that they will shut up now. Highly unlikely. Remember, you just said the jurors were so honest. Funny how they hate it when they really get an honest one.
https://support.twitter.com/forms/abusiveuser
someone already reported him to the FBI; that’s a start!
I sure hope someone can isolate and record the questioning of PJ – E81. Are you up to doing this, LJS?
I was listening but not watching so was it evident that Sybrina/Tracy were “moved/upset) by the truth so well spoken by E81 and did they return to the courtroom?
Would be great if more PJ’s were as outspoken as she is.
E-81 vs. De la Rionda
E-81 vs. O’Mara
Youtube links. They work for me.
Thanks for these!
Thanks a bunch. Can’t wait to hear Crumps’ retort.
Sorry, at work – a bit confused. WHAT happened with Tray’s dad, the jurur and a threat?
Juror E81 said she thought Tray’s dad wasn’t present in his life much and had he been, Trayvon wouldn’t have been going down the wrong path. BDLR ask her why she thought that and she said that Tray’s dad didn’t have any recent pictures of his son. She gets her news from Channel 13 and the Orlando Sentinel.
The threat was seen on twitter, someone from Trayvon’s side thought the juror should be killed on her way home tonight.
Ty. Stephen, when he was mr_4dat (before rip_tray9) said ‘if the cracker is set free…’ something to that effect, he continued he’d take the law into his own hands. Just fyi (2-27-12). rs.peoplebrowsr.com has it if you search 2-26-12 and click ‘newer’ and look carefully enough (otherwise it’s as his future handle). Classy.
I was going to say that when W81 is dismissed, and is leaving the courthouse, some media outfit ought to put a camera on her, hand her a microphone, and let her speak as long as she wants. That would be even more impactful than a GZ family member trying to get the truth out there, as everyone expects the family to defend GZ. Guarantee this woman’s interview will be viral within hours. I also guarantee the Schemers will be doing a presser slamming this woman just as quickly.
Does anyone know what line of work this woman is in? She needs to get into honest reporting, but alas, no one would her her because she is honest and says it like it is.
yes, and also tell her to report the threat.
great photo, the look of GZ’s satisfaction and relief that a PJ can speak to justice = priceless
she reminds me of the last PJ 🙂
I think Crump texts the State and tells them who HE likes and does not like. <<< I believe it this strongly.
racial undertones? Rua-oh!
This potential juror is obviously the younger sister or otherwise acolyte of the last potential juror.
Many females seem to be telling Sabrina they are sorry. They can understand as mothers.
Let her go–she is scared.
O’Mara will take videotape of the last two potential jurors to the DCA when he appeals Judge Nelson’s order not to make the entire juror pool anonymous.
The jurors are inevitably public. May as well face the fact that the community, or part of it, is violently dysfunctional. There is no juror anonymity. Once the case is over, the names WILL be published. Sequestration just keeps them from being influenced by “during trial” publicity.
I have said before that they can all be identified during the first day just as they have already done. It is stupid to even think that anyone can remain anonymous today. I do think sequestration will keep the jurors honest in this particular case. If not, I would be concerned that “someone” might get to them.
You know when Bernie was asking her if she could deal with potential repurcussions if the jury came back with a guilty verdict, she wanted to say “white people don’t riot.”
all jurors say they can be fair. that’s not the question.
LOL – She wants to say “it was done to keep the black people from rioting!”
so there is more potential for chaos if gz aquitted? jurors cannot be concerned about reaching the “wrong” decision.
I disagree with the juror on the “if convicted” would not be as big a backlash. Throw out the word “backlash” and insert “celebration”. To this mindset it is normal to celebrate by turning over and burning cars, breaking out windows in businesses, looting. << that's their normal celebration.
I think Shellie’s lawyer Kellie Simms is in the front row behind the defense.
Uggghhhh….Nettles, how do you embed tweets like you do all the time? I tried it just above this comment and it didn’t work.
Click on the time in the post (grey) since the post appeared. ie; 2min ago, etc. That will take you to a url page. copy the url and paste it here.
*applause* *applause*
Oh, it’s in moderation, too.
whenever bernie starts with BTW, he is going to make an accusation.
I caught that too. He isn’t very good for extracting information from jurors I find.
Bernie may have gotten rid of the last one for safety reasons. Now another?
Coming right up on American Idol: Round two: Songs from the SuperBowl!
I think West wants to inform the judge that she allowed BDLR to question this witness about race. He asked her which side she felt was more responsible for the racial undertones in the case and she answered Trayvon’s side.
Yesterday when West was questioning about race, BDLR objected and the judge told West he was out of bounds, stick to pre-trial publicity.
When BDLR finished questioning this potential juror K80, West asked to approach the bench. They’ve been up there about 10 minutes now.
Maybe conspiring about how to keep for informing jurors that they can retain anonymity.
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345236904293306369
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345236904293306369
WILL BE SEQUESTERED!!!
Best move on her part to date. Jury sequestered.
+1,000,000
tennis refers to MOM as pinky? so low.
She must have gotten that from the same guy who is now calling all of the PJ “jurists.” LOL
wasn’t me pinecone!
hope it is a term of endearment between friends; seems like it is taking quite a liberty with him though. But she is the great TennisLaw!
so glad i am not sitting next to the cougher! i would surely move.
don’t believe a word of that; she quit hoa b/c they didn’t have liability insurance, and she follows the law. Own agenda here much?
k95: Another worst nightmare for the state! Maybe the jury pool is fair after all.
In case you missed it, here is the Part 1 of yesterday’s hearing – Thanks as always AJ. I’ll post this in the hearing tab where you can find them all.
4 out of 29 is 13.8%; which is just a little about the average of 11% AA,
4 out of 19, OTOH ….
uh, more like 21% almost double the expected ratio. sorry about my math!
still feeling good about today’s jurors! wonder if they will give a presser praising the PJ’s honesty today?
I’m liking the jurors today. I think most have been honest….and it helps.
maybe too honest!
yay! The court cracked down on cell phones. How about gum chewing, my pet peeve!
#n18 has to translate first from Spanish. He will be out.
next.
This man will have a hard time understanding the witnesses. Is he a stealth juror for GZ?
ROFL the WHOLE DOG POUND are flipping out on KB because of this tweet!
OMG! As a MOM I would want another pix than this of my son, but this is her TRADEMARK
he would follow the bible, and maybe not the law. not the same thing.
They went to the bench, quick conversation, they started to break-up and I saw the Judge shake her head and mouth no to the deputy.
great catch nettles; we could hardly have another u after all!
Court’s in recess for 15 minutes.
Potential Juror N18 was a religious man who is so troubled by the last 3 days of jury duty, has got up at 3am and 4am and got on knees and prayed.
Don’t confuse N18 with Nettles18. He’s a guy. I’m a lady. 🙂
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/345259875330318337
disneyland hotels are very expensive ya know.
Court back on the record. Next juror on the way in.
Juror B34 is a man. BDLR gets right into questioning without introducing himself. The man sounds Spanish.
This potential juror is from Puerto Rico and is described by those tweeting from the courtroom as a large man in his 40s
Wow. This guy was at least honest that he can’t be objective.
This juror has similar beliefs to the prior juror. Killing is guilty. Nothing can change his mind. BDLR stops questioning and asks to approach the bench.
yes, saved lots of time.
another Bible maniac; see Hornsby for reference to Exodus.
Juror was dismissed and now a woman with a Spanish accent has been brought in and identified as B67.
She told her boss she has “judy duty.” Bless her heart. Cute accent.
yes, she thought judge judy who is bad enuf; then found out it was judge Debbie!
You are quick.. LOL
Lastima q no tenemos 2 lenguages como Canada!
Usted podría ser un país increíble si lo hizo! 😉
va a pasar un dia; no te preocupes!
now if only i could get down my french!
OK, but my comment was in Spanish. It’s not an official language of Canada but we like to accommodate. 😆
It generally says, you would have an awesome Country if you had more than one language.
yes, my original comment was that “too bad we don’t have 2 languages like Canada” meaning English and Spanish.
French and English in Canada of course; Me imagino q mejor de hablar en Ingles!
it’s still an awesome country, but could be awesomer!
Qu’est-ce que ces’t? Tu no parle pas francais c’est terrible trajedi.
merci!
I still remember some of my HS lessons, pardon moi, could not help myself.
The juror explained sequestering would be a hardship for her. Her son is coming from Texas to visit with her and then he’s off to Germany. BDLR asks to approach the bench and the juror was thanked and left the courtroom. Next!
In comes P-67, an Hispanic man in his late 50 or 60s
Funny, BDLR let this guy get away with saying “no, not really” when asked if he’d formed an opinion of the case based on seeing O’Mara on TV.
He describes the incident as an “accident”
This juror is saying since it’s his first time it would be nice to get more information on what to expect. BDLR is telling him why no one can tell him about the case. There has been 3 questions in a row where BDLR is saying one thing and the witness is answering something else. I think the juror may not understand English very well.
He said he’s been here for 4 years. His family is in Chicago. He communicates with family through facebook. He posted to his family he might be on the Zimmerman jury and asked their opinions.
One of his family told him this could be a racist or the case is about race. The juror thought it’s his opinion. He says he would like to serve on the jury. He would find it interesting. He was born in Mexico.
g14: Discussion that didn’t need to be had? Yes, let’s not talk about race.
NOTE TO PJ’s: When you get a jury summons, it is not a homework assignment!
https://twitter.com/Rich_Cranium711/status/345279920907382786
I bet almost everyone here would immediately get on the computer if they got a summons, especially if it was for a case as big as this and I knew nothing about it. I know I would and that’s just a human instinct to find out what you might be getting myself into.
I am personally going to decide if even want to sit on a jury. Would I want to sit in the box for this trial? Yes, but I also know that I would be hard pressed to even consider convicting George of any of the charges.
around this time, we all get punchy to leave!
https://twitter.com/juror_e81/status/345284032155750400
each PJ now gets a twitter account?
Can we please add a challenge for being stupid?
g14: seems to have bought the “Told to Stand Down” scenario–hook, line and sinker!
1) She doesn’t sound stupid to me, and in general, unless you know the person, have time to watch them and so forth, calling them out as stupid shows a bit of a mean streak. 2) Yes, she’s been exposed to press accounts, nothing else, has a vague recollection. What she recalls shows the power of a misleading press.
it is just a joke cboldt; lighten up!
i didn’t call her stupid, but you did!
B-65 returns for hardship inquiry. She is the black female who was heavily into church in Goldsboro, heart of Sanford’s black community. Looks like she has been excused.
How is it that she happened to be in court today? Once they are passed on to the next round, don’t they then get to go home?
I wonder if the prosecution dug something up on her (attended a rally, made an internet posting) in favor of the Scheme Team and wanted her off before the defense could call her out? Just sayin
I do believe those who made it through are all at the courthouse waiting for the next stage. Let’s say they had reached their 30 candidates at 2pm today. They’d want them on-hand to move forward.
How boring that must be but I believe your right.
B65: Crump said he would pay her salary!
this has been a great day for the defense!
Whatcha mean? Are you serious or cutting up?
That’s funny!
yes, thank God!
Wouldn’t it have to be Nelson who gave 4 precious seats in the courtroom to the pastors, that will apparently be there all through the trial? I’m finding some of the PJ questioning targeting on how the juror would fell about their presence at trial. IMO this is just one more item to add to the long and growing list of appeal issues to the DCA. To the best of my knowledge, this is the first time a group of pastors have been given star seats, and even through the jury selection process. It is highly unlikely that there would be riots, protests, calls for boycotts etc. during the jury voyeur dire process.
Remember how mad Judge N got about West saying the Jury would be sequestered? Ridiculous imo, she claimed “she hadn’t made up her mind.” We ALL got it, Judge N was in control, it would be her way OR the highway but it looks like her controlling temperament has WASTED time in the prospective jury selection & she has drawn criticism from many. imo, Judge N OWED it to those that have sat for GOD knows how long to be ask a million questions, she knew damn well she would sequester the jury.
Bill Sheaffer/WFTV person were discussing how long the process would take. One of them said “Judge N had hoped to have a jury selected by next Monday.” LOL! Bill Sheaffer predicts next Friday or longer.
I still wonder if West did that “accidentally on purpose.”
Nettles or anyone have Hornsby’s presser with WESH? Very interested in hearing them!
Judge Alex is interviewed in video. Judge N said stealth juror prospective should have been held in “contempt.”
article/videos
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/06/13/attorneys-just-short-moving-to-next-round-in-george-zimmerman-trial-jury/
Its really sad how this has become a gameshow. It won’t be long before we become the movie “the running man.”
I was struck today on how many people have been affected by this. 500 people have been summoned and all those employers and their coworkers are dealing with the loss of their co-worker’s production.
Those summoned are told very little and I felt for the guy who asked for more information on what is going on and what to expect. BDLR’s response was awful.
The lawyers sometimes get so zoned in they forget they are dealing with real people. I think Don West and Mark O’Mara have done a reasonable job introducing themselves to the PJs. BDLR rarely introduces himself, let alone Guy and Mantei and he doesn’t thank them for their time.
Take note: Introduce yourself and show some concern for the person sitting in front of you how has been sitting around the courthouse waiting for you guys to get your stuff together.
You said: BDLR rarely introduces himself
What’s he gonna say? I am Bernie, the lying prosecutor who believes it is my duty to obey orders issued by Angela Corey, my POS commander in chief. As you can see by my presence, I have the blessings of both Pam Bondi and Governor Rick Scott.
You also said: Those summoned are told very little and I felt for the guy who asked for more information on what is going on and what to expect. BDLR’s response was awful.
One might think that is great to find someone who really has not a clue WTH is gong on? If were totally in the dark, I would also want to know more about what is happening and oh, BTW, “how the hell did you find me?”
The Judge has agreed to move the pool of potential jurors to 40 from the goal of 30.
Wow. That might just upset her trial schedule. It might even get past the Frye rule date.
That was my first thought. By the time they get this done, they could be into the Daubert standard.
I am still holding out for a dismissal. I want to hear more PJ’s tell it like it is and call out the Scheme team and the State, too. Maybe that might have an impact if enough of them can be heard. Of course, Crump looks like a fool with the iced tea crap. Seriously, who is taking the Crump and the tea seriously?
And Nat Jackson’s profile picture of an itty bitty baby boy. That is just too damn much for me. Oh, boy….. Lord have mercy.
By the time they get this done, they could be into the Daubert standard.
By the time they get this done, they could be into the TWILIGHT ZONE…
Good news.
Nettles: What is the deal with the lack of protesters? Do you have any inside scoop?
Also someone on Dman’s board was wishing to hear from you about Shellie’s bodyguard.
Can the decision be appealed? She looks a bit nervous without a security blanket.
Am I being punked? inside scoop Jordan?
OK, at the last secret meeting where I control the universe, we took a vote about attending Sanford. We decided as a group that the poor people of Sanford had been through enough of everyone’s agenda. Did you hear the citizens today? They have been inconvenienced by traffic jams, downtown business has dropped, now souls are being asked to go weeks without a salary and contact with family and friends. And for what? Nope, the world-wide association of protesters knew we’d look like the asses we are if we descend upon this poor community again. It was bad enough when Tracy and Sybrina left their kid there unsupervised and high.
Shellie’s bodyguard and a Miami Herald reporter were removed from the courtroom for forgetting to turn off their cell phones. I question why he needs to be in the courtroom anyway. Surely, they are safe inside the courtroom? I believe they can return to the courtroom tomorrow.
Too funny.. 😀
Thanks
♥
I knew you had it in you but that is the most prolific display of your humorous side that I have ever seen you post.
Jordan, you really do need to buy that sarcasim tag for $1.99, or maybe just insert /sarc after your posts which is free. Or were you really seriously asking those questions? Last I heard Nettles was too busy in the courtroom to pay much attention to the no protesters. She isn’t being paid by the defense team to monitor the protest area. /sarc
I rechecked my job description and low and behold on the bottom in really fine print: other duties as assigned. 😉
u b funny, pinecone. I think those who know me expect sarcasm in most of my comments, but I also notice a few others do it too at the most unexpected times and it sort of wows me out.. Then I wonder if they are serious or not. 😀
If we could only have a signature. oh well, we don’t.
Nettles, I know you have your GZ defense fund requests on all your posts. Any chance we can go all out again to remind people that the defense fund still possibly isn’t at the level it needs to be to get GZ even a reasonable defense with experts, investigations, depositions etc.? I see there are some that have taken the Martin trashcan method of begging dollars to support their own agenda, which unfortunately will do nothing to help George in his fight for his life and/or freedom for the second time.
No wonder the scheme team has such trouble with factual information: Natalie Jackson @NatJackEsq 1h
@LLMSPapa BEAUTIFUL. Thank u 4 sharing. I’ll make sure Sybrina sees it. You Sir…have helped more than u will EVER know ;-).@attorneycrump
Something needs to wake them up. Perhaps a lawsuit will get their energy up?
https://twitter.com/Jack_Rich_W/status/345335883425275904