Mr. O’Mara forget about the rest of us and what we think. Concentrate on those jurors and what is going to convince them that George acted in self-defense.
I agreed with George’s decision not to put the THC before the jury. It’s not needed, the argument over the affects it may have had on Trayvon wouldn’t have been helpful and the jurors could have seen George as smearing the deceased. That you could of used it and chose not to, shows class in my opinion and fits with who I think George Zimmerman is.
I trust at the end of your presentation today, the jurors will have no doubt, Trayvon was the aggressor, the timeline shows why Rachel’s account doesn’t add up and dispels the theory that George chased Trayvon down.
Best of luck today!
Anyone who wants to share something privately, email me at nettles@bell.net
Interesting. Jeralyn Merritt thinks the State may use John Guy to use an exhibit to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Take a read and put your thinking caps on.
I haven’t finished watching the second half of the prosecution’s closing yet, but…
The clubhouse videos… you clearly see a flashlight beam in the East Pool footage.
Prosecution made a point of asking each of the responding officers what kind of flashlights they had, how many flashlights they had, searchlight in patrol car, and asked where they shone these lights.
CST Smith, however, mentions that she and several officers searched the scene with flashlights… prosecution noticeably did not ask her where they searched or shone their lights as they did the other officers on the scene.
The whole bit about the cameras being off by 18 minutes, too… I don’t trust this claim. Computer times do not ‘drift’ as was claimed.
So my guess is the state plans to trot out the biggest Traybot meme of all, George was out NW patrolling and not on his way to Target.
may even throw in the whole “he didn’t have his wallet on him’ Traybot talking point
or the ‘he may have received a call from a neighbor who saw a prowler’ because he was NW captain & contact
“The whole bit about the cameras being off by 18 minutes, too… I don’t trust this claim. Computer times do not ‘drift’ as was claimed.”
If this claim was never ‘authenticated’ I’d argue that it should be excluded just like info from TM’s phone.
And, no, a guy just getting up on the stand and claiming as much is not authentication… iirc, he never stated how he came to that conclusion and the state never asked. *please correct me if I’m wrong on this Encyclopedia Nettles 🙂
If they try to pull that one, then that will show exactly how silly their argument is, because my understanding is that George had a small flashlight and the beam of those flashlights is not all that great.
The footage from the clubhouse has almost nothing in it and I did see some of it a long time ago. It wa a big fat nothing worth of blobs.
There might have been car lights but flashlight? I do not think so.
On top of that NW do not patrol and that is most definitely the case in my country. NW is all about keeping an eye out for anything that might be suspicious. It has never involved patrols, and that is a meme that needs to be dispelled!! My understanding happens to be that George never did a “patrol”. Yes he was the NW block captain, but that does not mean as much as any of the Traybots are claiming.
Nettles, unless this supposed “rabbit out of the hat” evidence was shown to the jury during the Trial, I do not believe Guy or anyone else can show the jury anything new. The animation the defense will show is NOT evidence. It will be a visual consistent with GZ’s version of how things happened, just like BLDR gave a verbal presentation of how the State felt things happened along with theatrics. BDLR closing was filled with mis-statements of trial testimony and at no time was he able to explain how GZ got his injuries. And one more thing. John Guy is a total fk up. Throughout the trial he has been totally ineffective. BDLR even reamed him after one of Guy’s epic fails. Guy is an attorney who thinks he’s all that, but he’s as flat as a piece of paper. When Guy is up there you want to say “everyone go back to your homes … nothing to see here”. Everything he says and does seems awkward. He’s no natural. Manti is much more dangerous than Guy. Guy is awful and the worst member of the team. In fact, if I was in charge of the State’s Attorney’s Office in Florida, I would get rid of him immediately.
@TxAv8r If emotions and politics are considered, Zimmerman will be found guilty. But lawful evidence and truth should lead to an acquittal!
being posted around the web by trayvon worshipping maniacs: AN URGENT CALL TO ACTION. IF ZIMMERMAN WALKS, THE DAY AFTER THE VERDICT WE ARE CALLING FOR A DAY OF ABSENCE, A TOTAL NATIONAL BLACKOUT. Call in sick and tired. Call in angry. Call in crazy. But CALL IN. Boycott transit. Boycott non-black businesses. Wear black armbands in solidarity — especially if you feel you have to go to work for fear of losing your job, or if you are essential personnel. The exception: The film “Fruitvale Station,” about the murder of Oscar Grant by a BART cop. If it is playing in your town, go see it. Discuss it. In addition to the film being a learning/politicizing tool, our attendance also will demonstrate black economic power. SPREAD THE WORD. FYI: The photo is an Akoben (war horn), an Adinkra symbol. Meaning: a call to arms/urgent action and preparedness for action or battle. Shorthand: “Ride or die.” Who’s WITH me? #trayvonmartin
I’m not sure i agree that the THC should not have been exposed. Some on the jury may wonder why TM would attack GZ for no apparent reason since he has been portrayed as an innocent and normal teen rather than the troubled person he was. But you may be right. I may not be giving the jury enough credit. I was just SO offended at the way BDLR maligned George’s character today and I could tell that it deeply affected George. He actually showed some emotion and shook his head, no, at times during the closing.
I find it ironic a certain site will take MOM’s words and make assumptions about MOM’s state of mind and his agenda. Isn’t that what the state has done to George?
WoW! Omara addressed his ring! His Daddys HS Ring!
I wear my grandfather’s HS ring, which was worn by my father, on his right hand, until he died. It was given to me as I knealt next to him, after he took his last breath. It is a constant reminder of how I was raised (in Christ), my father’s love, and a great comfort.
Love it. I wear my HS ring, 32 yrs after my graduation, because of My Daddy, I really didnt care for one, but he almost cried saying, thats one of the things you go all thru school to get. He only was able to go to 8th grade and yet is a very smart man. It is a very precious and semtimental memory I honor daily. Just as you. Thank You for sharing!
cboldt – when my only sibling died of a negligent death, my dad wore her high school ring on his pinkie finger until he died & I buried him with it on. Like you, it brought my dad comfort as he felt he carried something important of my sisters with him even though she was always in his heart.
When MOM was made fun of for a pinkie ring, I thought some are so quick to judge others, how shallow.
I bet Guy has pooped his shorts by now, the BURDEN of PROOF has been put back on the STATE so the jury clearly understands it is their burden, NOT the defenses.
Whether Guy understands or not he needs to explain w/facts, not speculation remains to be seen. I hope he is TOO ashamed to scream profanities & yell again for his performance. I hope the ENTIRE team for the State understands how MOM has dismantled their speculation & REMINDED the jury, GZ gets the benefit, NOT the State.
From BDLR’s expressions, he’s pissed! It’s never too late for BDLR to act an a$$.
George Zimmerman trial: Where’s WKMG-Channel 6’s Tony Pipitone?
WKMG was banned from the building, said Rachel Cosgrove, deputy courthouse public information officer.
The reason?
“The WKMG helicopter followed and possibly filmed jurors from the courthouse to their destination yesterday. Their courtroom credentials have been revoked while this matter is under review,” said Michelle Kennedy, court services administrator/PIO.
(d) engage in conduct in connection with the practice of law that is prejudicial to the administration of justice, including to knowingly, or through callous indifference, disparage, humiliate, or discriminate against litigants, jurors, witnesses, court personnel, or other lawyers on any basis, including, but not limited to, on account of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, national origin, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, age, socioeconomic status, employment, or physical characteristic;
Within a few days Trayvon Worshippers will return to their daily routine of watching HLN playing Xbox and neglecting their 85 illegitamate children
Zimmerman Lawyers Were Once Supporters Of Judge Who Has Knocked Them About Florida Courtroom
Nelson, who was admitted to the Florida bar in 1979, earns around $142,000 as a Circuit Court judge (likely far less than what she would make in private practice). In a financial disclosure form filed last year with Florida’s Department of State, Nelson–seen above in her official court portrait–reported that her net worth was nearly $574,000.
mimi – did you remember who Jim Litchenstien was from KC’s case? I thought I saw him in the court room when the camera panned over his way one day. I wonder if he is working on producing something for this case?
Yes, I remb him and he was in the courtroom towards the latter part of trial. I follow him on twitter. He was in FL for the latest on KC case and I think he just decided to hang over for GZ trial. He is a hoot on twitter. Not sure if he is going to do anything on this. I will post if I see him say anything. He moved to CA from Chicago not long after the KC trial. He still does all the stuff dealing with her.
WFTV compared Jose Baez’s closing & MOM’s closing. MOM used at least 2 of the same techniques which became popular w/Defense Attorney’s after KC was found not guilty. The techniques were no doubt successful.
MOM used the same technique of going through each witness w/their photo & paraphrasing their testimony as Baez did all of the witness pictures in that case.
MOM used the VERY same visual aid on Burden of Proof as Baez/Mason used in Court except Mason’s was a bit larger, but they had 12 jurors since it was a capitol case as opposed to only 6 jurors in this case.
imo, the techniques are effective, I would assume the jury appreciated them as well.
Sheaffer again stated: “HAD the State NOT used the self serving statements of GZ, the re-enactment, Hannity video, etc., this case would look differently.”
No doubt IF the State hadn’t screwed up, GZ would have likely been forced to take the stand as there would have been no one to tell his entire story as he told it in the re-enactment & on Hannity, there would have only been bits & pieces by some that testified as to GZ’s statements, but Osterman told most of his story. The Defenses job would have been much harder than it was.
I’m looking forward to hearing the principals on the defense who haven’t been able to talk in these months as candidly as they may have liked due to the threat of conviction.
Me also
Nettles, what was that statement GZ made about seeing a car pulling away or something when he first spotted TM, and how that was part of his suspicions? I can’t quite remember it.
George recalled a car backing up that he had to go around as he saw TM in Frank’s front lawn. I’d have to look at the transcripts again, but he told one of the officers that within 72 hours of the event.
All of GZ statements to police came within 3 days of the event.
Thanks!
NEW BLACK PANTHERS ARE THERE according to reporter on MyFoxOrlando…
@KRayWFTV do you think people planning to do anything violent would actually announce that to authorities if anyone planned to riot?
I can’t believe it’s taking the jury this long when the State showed no proof of M2 or Manslaughter. It’s not a positive sign to me.
My only hope is it is the first time they speak together about this case.
I hope so as well…. thankfully B67 (I think) is in there, so maybe the worse thing that could happened would be a hung jury.
nomorebsplease – didn’t MOM ask the identities of the jurors be protected after the verdict?
Does anyone remember if Judge N decided how long? If a juror wanted to speak out they would be free to do so, but if they decide “not guilty,” & they choose to speak out, they may put themselves at risk it would seem.
I recall it being a 6 month protection.
Kathy Overheard this (OH)
OH in courtroom: O'Mara tells wife in gallery jury'll likely go til 8/9 tonight b4 break 4 night or verdict. @DanaChaabanWFTV #zimmermanon9
Are the jurors being given the toxicology report as part of the evidence?
pinecone, I don’t think they can ask for it if it wasn’t presented in the case.
Deliberations over for tonight, begin again in the morning @ 9:00 am
One of the things that would strike me as a juror is where exactly was Trayvon living. The jury sees his natural parents in the court room every day Tracy and Sybrina. Yet it has been brought before them that Trayvon was in Sanford and staying in his father’s girlfriens apartment. Do they think that Tracy and Sybrina were still married and together, but Tracy was cheating on Sybrina? The jurors know nothing about Alicia at all.
I have been a very vocal advocate for George’s choice of attorney’s. So much so that I have been testy at times with the slamming of his choice. George’s choice of what attorney would represent him was his alone to make. We were all on pins and needles the other day when we thought he may insist on testifying on the stand. Chip Bennett posted the other day that he was so disgusted that O’Mara said in a presser that he didn’t want to disrespect the Martin family. OK. When I read the presser O’Mara did today, after the jury was in deliberations, I was so damn disgusted, wanted to puke, and felt that I had all been raped by Mark O’Mara. His presser was the most disgusting thing I think I have ever read in my life, bar none. I do believe that O’Mara did what he could to defend his client in the beat way he could against a defense hostile judge. But to say that he has respect for Nelson is a stretch I can’t accept. In actuality, it wasn’t O’Mara that got beaten about the head from Nelson, it was West. O’Mara hung West out to dry. Can’t believe I’m saying this but, that is how I see it. Hopefully West will represent GZ in the future, on his own.
What got you raging mad again? OMara said he had respect for Nelson?
No need to alienate the Judge. She is the judge in George’s case against NBC.
He took her on when he needed to. Going to the higher court about Crump’s deposition. It’s critical to be effective, and not burn bridges George is going to need.
PLEASE GRADE OMARAS CLOSING
On a scale of 1-10
Seems fake to me. The sound was cut off right after Nelson said the court was in recess in a recording I have of that part of the trial. In the clip in the article you can even hear the background sounds disappear before GZ supposedly asks about the marijuana. Besides, why would he point to his watch while saying it?
Fake for sure, I watched it before some fool doctored it, the voice and volume are not right, and yeah it is seems he is talking about schedule and time matters.
The reason I pointed it out is because the toxicology/marijuana “issue” was mentioned in Sundance’s latest “bash O’Mara and everyone that doesn’t agree with him” blog post. For someone that talks about truth and “intellectual honesty” he sure does lie and misrepresent things a lot.
Agreed, his own version of by any means necessary….
Yes, it’s doctored. On AJ’s version, the sound cuts out. See the 1:29:50 minute.
When Dr. Di Maio testified and they decided they weren’t going to ask about the marijuana, the Judge sought George’s acknowledgement of that. He told her he was aware and he agreed with the pared down testimony of the expert. See 1:55:15 mark.
George has the last word on his defense, as it should be.
G00DI
There is massive irony in George not being able to present trevons text messages because he could have been speaking in code yet the very same court revoked George’s bond for having the audacity to speak in code
Team O’Mara/West/Truett did a great job with this trial, given all the challenges thrown at the team.
If the jury follows the law, it will be an acquittal. If they follow their emotions, then there is nothing this team could have done to change it. Emotions aren’t on George’s side.
I feel really good about this. With the help of Robert Hirschhorn, George got a jury who promised to follow the law. I predict an acquittal.
When the jurors asked to stop at 6pm I thought that was a good sign. Perhaps they already have a verdict and wanted to sleep on it. Had there been work to do to arrive at a consensus this push ahead jury would have stayed until as late as the Judge would have allowed them to. I’m hoping to hear there is a verdict tomorrow.
Maybe in #zimmerman jury already decided and going to hotel to sleep on it.
The Hannity George Zimmerman special edition tonight is MOST EXCELLENT! Tons and tons of real legal experts discussing how the state completely farkled the case
Anne Coulter makes an excellent point…..most of the same people who tried to lynch duke lacrosse attempted to lynch george zimmerman
They also support freeing Jahar (Boston bomber), Julian Assange (Wikileaks) and #UniteBlue. I’m not a democrat or liberal, but I would think true democrats and liberals would be cringing that these people (nutjobs) claim to be on the same side as them. It’s like having a rabid racist professing to be a republican or a conservative.
The Democratic Party has been hijack the same way they claim the Republican Party has by radical elements. It not my fathers Democrat party.
Jury Instructions and Deliberations begin – Thanks AJ!
@green_i4u Ben Jealous was on local Fox 35 saying he wants the Fed Govt to charge GZ with federal crimes of civil rights violations
kNOw Truth, kNOw Justice 
Interesting. Jeralyn Merritt thinks the State may use John Guy to use an exhibit to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Take a read and put your thinking caps on.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/11/23734/6172/crimenews/Zimmerman-Predicting-the-State-s-Rebuttal-Closing
I haven’t finished watching the second half of the prosecution’s closing yet, but…
The clubhouse videos… you clearly see a flashlight beam in the East Pool footage.
Prosecution made a point of asking each of the responding officers what kind of flashlights they had, how many flashlights they had, searchlight in patrol car, and asked where they shone these lights.
CST Smith, however, mentions that she and several officers searched the scene with flashlights… prosecution noticeably did not ask her where they searched or shone their lights as they did the other officers on the scene.
The whole bit about the cameras being off by 18 minutes, too… I don’t trust this claim. Computer times do not ‘drift’ as was claimed.
So my guess is the state plans to trot out the biggest Traybot meme of all, George was out NW patrolling and not on his way to Target.
may even throw in the whole “he didn’t have his wallet on him’ Traybot talking point
or the ‘he may have received a call from a neighbor who saw a prowler’ because he was NW captain & contact
“The whole bit about the cameras being off by 18 minutes, too… I don’t trust this claim. Computer times do not ‘drift’ as was claimed.”
If this claim was never ‘authenticated’ I’d argue that it should be excluded just like info from TM’s phone.
And, no, a guy just getting up on the stand and claiming as much is not authentication… iirc, he never stated how he came to that conclusion and the state never asked. *please correct me if I’m wrong on this Encyclopedia Nettles 🙂
If they try to pull that one, then that will show exactly how silly their argument is, because my understanding is that George had a small flashlight and the beam of those flashlights is not all that great.
The footage from the clubhouse has almost nothing in it and I did see some of it a long time ago. It wa a big fat nothing worth of blobs.
There might have been car lights but flashlight? I do not think so.
On top of that NW do not patrol and that is most definitely the case in my country. NW is all about keeping an eye out for anything that might be suspicious. It has never involved patrols, and that is a meme that needs to be dispelled!! My understanding happens to be that George never did a “patrol”. Yes he was the NW block captain, but that does not mean as much as any of the Traybots are claiming.
Nettles, unless this supposed “rabbit out of the hat” evidence was shown to the jury during the Trial, I do not believe Guy or anyone else can show the jury anything new. The animation the defense will show is NOT evidence. It will be a visual consistent with GZ’s version of how things happened, just like BLDR gave a verbal presentation of how the State felt things happened along with theatrics. BDLR closing was filled with mis-statements of trial testimony and at no time was he able to explain how GZ got his injuries. And one more thing. John Guy is a total fk up. Throughout the trial he has been totally ineffective. BDLR even reamed him after one of Guy’s epic fails. Guy is an attorney who thinks he’s all that, but he’s as flat as a piece of paper. When Guy is up there you want to say “everyone go back to your homes … nothing to see here”. Everything he says and does seems awkward. He’s no natural. Manti is much more dangerous than Guy. Guy is awful and the worst member of the team. In fact, if I was in charge of the State’s Attorney’s Office in Florida, I would get rid of him immediately.
Anticipating Mr. O’Mara’s closing by Jeralyn Merritt at Talk Left:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/11/224258/656/crimenews/Zimmerman-Anticipating-Mark-O-Mara-s-Closing
FYI Here are the Jury Instructions in case someone missed
Click to access Zimmerman_Final_Jury_Instructions.pdf
Thank you.
Your welcome, sorry didnt realize you had up top you can delete this post, if ya want 🙂
These are important. Being posted in more than one spot is A. Okay. Thanks for posting it.
Following. Maybe sleeping. Wondering if I should bother setting my alarm.
NAACP President asked to step down
Updated: Thursday, 11 Jul 2013, 11:54 PM EDT
Published : Thursday, 11 Jul 2013, 11:54 PM EDT
http://www.wavy.com/dpp/news/local_news/norfolk/naacp-president-asked-to-step-down
being posted around the web by trayvon worshipping maniacs: AN URGENT CALL TO ACTION. IF ZIMMERMAN WALKS, THE DAY AFTER THE VERDICT WE ARE CALLING FOR A DAY OF ABSENCE, A TOTAL NATIONAL BLACKOUT. Call in sick and tired. Call in angry. Call in crazy. But CALL IN. Boycott transit. Boycott non-black businesses. Wear black armbands in solidarity — especially if you feel you have to go to work for fear of losing your job, or if you are essential personnel. The exception: The film “Fruitvale Station,” about the murder of Oscar Grant by a BART cop. If it is playing in your town, go see it. Discuss it. In addition to the film being a learning/politicizing tool, our attendance also will demonstrate black economic power. SPREAD THE WORD. FYI: The photo is an Akoben (war horn), an Adinkra symbol. Meaning: a call to arms/urgent action and preparedness for action or battle. Shorthand: “Ride or die.” Who’s WITH me? #trayvonmartin
I’m not sure i agree that the THC should not have been exposed. Some on the jury may wonder why TM would attack GZ for no apparent reason since he has been portrayed as an innocent and normal teen rather than the troubled person he was. But you may be right. I may not be giving the jury enough credit. I was just SO offended at the way BDLR maligned George’s character today and I could tell that it deeply affected George. He actually showed some emotion and shook his head, no, at times during the closing.
I find it ironic a certain site will take MOM’s words and make assumptions about MOM’s state of mind and his agenda. Isn’t that what the state has done to George?
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355662502098518018
WoW! Omara addressed his ring! His Daddys HS Ring!
I wear my grandfather’s HS ring, which was worn by my father, on his right hand, until he died. It was given to me as I knealt next to him, after he took his last breath. It is a constant reminder of how I was raised (in Christ), my father’s love, and a great comfort.
Love it. I wear my HS ring, 32 yrs after my graduation, because of My Daddy, I really didnt care for one, but he almost cried saying, thats one of the things you go all thru school to get. He only was able to go to 8th grade and yet is a very smart man. It is a very precious and semtimental memory I honor daily. Just as you. Thank You for sharing!
cboldt – when my only sibling died of a negligent death, my dad wore her high school ring on his pinkie finger until he died & I buried him with it on. Like you, it brought my dad comfort as he felt he carried something important of my sisters with him even though she was always in his heart.
When MOM was made fun of for a pinkie ring, I thought some are so quick to judge others, how shallow.
Good morning, all!
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/355680294575149057
Bernie looks sick lol
https://twitter.com/coreybking/status/355686514258219009
Did Corey B. King think that there was some bombshell evidence when he said, “Watch! Clown!”?
I’ve just now started watching. How’s O’Mara doing?
MOM is doing great. Slow, methodical.
The 4 minutes of silence was brilliant!
I thought it was a lot less than 100 meters from the T….
He heard George on the phone, saw the light from flashlight, decided to sneak back, wait for George to get off the phone.
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355697712135536640
uuuuuh, I think the way MOM is talking about Rachel makes her more credible and doesn’t reflect her true contempt for Zimmerman.
https://twitter.com/coreybking/status/355702497865760770
Ummmmm, they were ALL effective to the defenses case.
I’m concerned about the way MOM has been presenting the evidence since the break.
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/355705387548278784
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/355706137796034562
I bet Guy has pooped his shorts by now, the BURDEN of PROOF has been put back on the STATE so the jury clearly understands it is their burden, NOT the defenses.
Whether Guy understands or not he needs to explain w/facts, not speculation remains to be seen. I hope he is TOO ashamed to scream profanities & yell again for his performance. I hope the ENTIRE team for the State understands how MOM has dismantled their speculation & REMINDED the jury, GZ gets the benefit, NOT the State.
From BDLR’s expressions, he’s pissed! It’s never too late for BDLR to act an a$$.
https://twitter.com/coreybking/status/355708282301718530
a friend just texted me who lives in area, saying that Click Orlando was banned from courthouse. Dont know why tho (I dont)
mimi – from my vantage point, I have seen Tony Pippitone in the courtroom at the end f a row next to the wall, I don’t see him today.
hmm
See my post of a tweet below! They followed and poss FILMED THE SEQ JURY!
YES!!!! OMARA SHOWED THEM THAT FOLLOWING IS NOT ILLEGAL!!
If there is doubt
you must let him out.
If the State hasn’t proven #3..you must set him free.
LOL she’s STILL delusional. Will be in denial right up to the acquittal.
After final closing, it would be great if the jury went back to deliberate and 15 minutes later came back with a not guilty verdict.
Yes it would.
https://twitter.com/Nettles18/status/355721416781479936
George Zimmerman trial: Where’s WKMG-Channel 6’s Tony Pipitone?
WKMG was banned from the building, said Rachel Cosgrove, deputy courthouse public information officer.
The reason?
“The WKMG helicopter followed and possibly filmed jurors from the courthouse to their destination yesterday. Their courtroom credentials have been revoked while this matter is under review,” said Michelle Kennedy, court services administrator/PIO.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-tony-pipitone-out-of-court-20130712,0,7719707.post
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355722500296024065
Will there be surrebuttal from the Defense? I hope so.
NO BODY believes GZ shot “TM because he WANTED to!” Outrageous, insulting, & a LIE imo.
Guy has been deflated before he started, at times he tries the lay preacher delivery, but then he yelled. LOL!
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/355727358973579265
Ken Dolls close sounds like the essay you wrote in school when you didn’t read the book… All BS with no facts.
MUST READ !!!!
http://www.infowars.com/judge-in-zimmerman-case-pressured-by-obama-administration/
Convince me there will be no manslaughter. Please
The State must prove the George Zimmerman INTENTIONALLY committed an act or acts that caused the death of Trayvon Martin.
I think the only impression the State has made on the jurors as far as proving intent are the epithets Zimmerman uttered during his NEN.
Only if you’re devoid of critical thinking and don’t know the difference between evidence and pure conjecture.
Bill Sheaffer stated “Guy should have given the entire closing argument.”
imo, I was unimpressed w/Guy. He was still light on the facts, he is still speculating too much.
I HOPE BDLR sucked up the negative press locally & nationally on his performance yesterday.
https://twitter.com/AmyPavukOS/status/355738908316811264
Ethics violation:
“would mister stay puff, mister softy over there”
http://www.floridabar.org/divexe/rrtfb.nsf/FV/0B6C8E5CDCA464D685257172004B0FBD
(d) engage in conduct in connection with the practice of law that is prejudicial to the administration of justice, including to knowingly, or through callous indifference, disparage, humiliate, or discriminate against litigants, jurors, witnesses, court personnel, or other lawyers on any basis, including, but not limited to, on account of race, ethnicity, gender, religion, national origin, disability, marital status, sexual orientation, age, socioeconomic status, employment, or physical characteristic;
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355740975118815233
Within a few days Trayvon Worshippers will return to their daily routine of watching HLN playing Xbox and neglecting their 85 illegitamate children
Zimmerman Lawyers Were Once Supporters Of Judge Who Has Knocked Them About Florida Courtroom
Nelson, who was admitted to the Florida bar in 1979, earns around $142,000 as a Circuit Court judge (likely far less than what she would make in private practice). In a financial disclosure form filed last year with Florida’s Department of State, Nelson–seen above in her official court portrait–reported that her net worth was nearly $574,000.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/trayvon-martin/judge-debra-nelson-873407
I was surprised to see that Judge N makes less than Corey & BDLR, bth make about $ 150,000.00 per yr. plus benefits.
Obamas sons was justifiably shot by Ted Nugents son
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/07/12/i-had-not-thought-about-this-the-zimmerman-trial-and-did-you-think-of-this/
https://twitter.com/TennisLaw/status/355761203953418240
Yep on Myfoxorlando, they show live and there is some KIDS, one looks abt less that 5 yrs old SMH
mimi – did you remember who Jim Litchenstien was from KC’s case? I thought I saw him in the court room when the camera panned over his way one day. I wonder if he is working on producing something for this case?
Yes, I remb him and he was in the courtroom towards the latter part of trial. I follow him on twitter. He was in FL for the latest on KC case and I think he just decided to hang over for GZ trial. He is a hoot on twitter. Not sure if he is going to do anything on this. I will post if I see him say anything. He moved to CA from Chicago not long after the KC trial. He still does all the stuff dealing with her.
WFTV compared Jose Baez’s closing & MOM’s closing. MOM used at least 2 of the same techniques which became popular w/Defense Attorney’s after KC was found not guilty. The techniques were no doubt successful.
MOM used the same technique of going through each witness w/their photo & paraphrasing their testimony as Baez did all of the witness pictures in that case.
MOM used the VERY same visual aid on Burden of Proof as Baez/Mason used in Court except Mason’s was a bit larger, but they had 12 jurors since it was a capitol case as opposed to only 6 jurors in this case.
imo, the techniques are effective, I would assume the jury appreciated them as well.
Sheaffer again stated: “HAD the State NOT used the self serving statements of GZ, the re-enactment, Hannity video, etc., this case would look differently.”
No doubt IF the State hadn’t screwed up, GZ would have likely been forced to take the stand as there would have been no one to tell his entire story as he told it in the re-enactment & on Hannity, there would have only been bits & pieces by some that testified as to GZ’s statements, but Osterman told most of his story. The Defenses job would have been much harder than it was.
WFTV POLL:
23% predict guilty
76% not guilty
1 % doesn’t know
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2013/07/12/intv-savidge-omara-race-in-the-case.cnn.html
Thank you!
He is writing a book. I am soo glad!
I hope Mr. West writes one too
I’m looking forward to hearing the principals on the defense who haven’t been able to talk in these months as candidly as they may have liked due to the threat of conviction.
Me also
Nettles, what was that statement GZ made about seeing a car pulling away or something when he first spotted TM, and how that was part of his suspicions? I can’t quite remember it.
George recalled a car backing up that he had to go around as he saw TM in Frank’s front lawn. I’d have to look at the transcripts again, but he told one of the officers that within 72 hours of the event.
All of GZ statements to police came within 3 days of the event.
Thanks!
NEW BLACK PANTHERS ARE THERE according to reporter on MyFoxOrlando…
ATTENTION EVERYONE
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355786121134870530
https://twitter.com/DanaChaabanWFTV/status/355788410994163712
Jury wants to know if there is an itemized list of evidence and a description of each item.
I can’t believe it’s taking the jury this long when the State showed no proof of M2 or Manslaughter. It’s not a positive sign to me.
My only hope is it is the first time they speak together about this case.
I hope so as well…. thankfully B67 (I think) is in there, so maybe the worse thing that could happened would be a hung jury.
nomorebsplease – didn’t MOM ask the identities of the jurors be protected after the verdict?
Does anyone remember if Judge N decided how long? If a juror wanted to speak out they would be free to do so, but if they decide “not guilty,” & they choose to speak out, they may put themselves at risk it would seem.
I recall it being a 6 month protection.
Kathy Overheard this (OH)
Are the jurors being given the toxicology report as part of the evidence?
pinecone, I don’t think they can ask for it if it wasn’t presented in the case.
Deliberations over for tonight, begin again in the morning @ 9:00 am
One of the things that would strike me as a juror is where exactly was Trayvon living. The jury sees his natural parents in the court room every day Tracy and Sybrina. Yet it has been brought before them that Trayvon was in Sanford and staying in his father’s girlfriens apartment. Do they think that Tracy and Sybrina were still married and together, but Tracy was cheating on Sybrina? The jurors know nothing about Alicia at all.
I have been a very vocal advocate for George’s choice of attorney’s. So much so that I have been testy at times with the slamming of his choice. George’s choice of what attorney would represent him was his alone to make. We were all on pins and needles the other day when we thought he may insist on testifying on the stand. Chip Bennett posted the other day that he was so disgusted that O’Mara said in a presser that he didn’t want to disrespect the Martin family. OK. When I read the presser O’Mara did today, after the jury was in deliberations, I was so damn disgusted, wanted to puke, and felt that I had all been raped by Mark O’Mara. His presser was the most disgusting thing I think I have ever read in my life, bar none. I do believe that O’Mara did what he could to defend his client in the beat way he could against a defense hostile judge. But to say that he has respect for Nelson is a stretch I can’t accept. In actuality, it wasn’t O’Mara that got beaten about the head from Nelson, it was West. O’Mara hung West out to dry. Can’t believe I’m saying this but, that is how I see it. Hopefully West will represent GZ in the future, on his own.
What got you raging mad again? OMara said he had respect for Nelson?
No need to alienate the Judge. She is the judge in George’s case against NBC.
He took her on when he needed to. Going to the higher court about Crump’s deposition. It’s critical to be effective, and not burn bridges George is going to need.
PLEASE GRADE OMARAS CLOSING
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Seems fake to me. The sound was cut off right after Nelson said the court was in recess in a recording I have of that part of the trial. In the clip in the article you can even hear the background sounds disappear before GZ supposedly asks about the marijuana. Besides, why would he point to his watch while saying it?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-zimmerman-asks-defense-lawyers-wheres-the-marijuana/
Fake for sure, I watched it before some fool doctored it, the voice and volume are not right, and yeah it is seems he is talking about schedule and time matters.
The reason I pointed it out is because the toxicology/marijuana “issue” was mentioned in Sundance’s latest “bash O’Mara and everyone that doesn’t agree with him” blog post. For someone that talks about truth and “intellectual honesty” he sure does lie and misrepresent things a lot.
Agreed, his own version of by any means necessary….
Yes, it’s doctored. On AJ’s version, the sound cuts out. See the 1:29:50 minute.
When Dr. Di Maio testified and they decided they weren’t going to ask about the marijuana, the Judge sought George’s acknowledgement of that. He told her he was aware and he agreed with the pared down testimony of the expert. See 1:55:15 mark.
George has the last word on his defense, as it should be.
G00DI
There is massive irony in George not being able to present trevons text messages because he could have been speaking in code yet the very same court revoked George’s bond for having the audacity to speak in code
Team O’Mara/West/Truett did a great job with this trial, given all the challenges thrown at the team.
If the jury follows the law, it will be an acquittal. If they follow their emotions, then there is nothing this team could have done to change it. Emotions aren’t on George’s side.
I feel really good about this. With the help of Robert Hirschhorn, George got a jury who promised to follow the law. I predict an acquittal.
https://twitter.com/Jynlynn/status/355894088878391296
I wish Dershowitz would’ve joined MOM & West pro bono.
Dershowitz: Zimmerman Prosecutors ‘Should Be Disbarred’
Friday, 12 Jul 2013 06:22 PM
By Bill Hoffmann
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/dershowitz-zimmerman-trayvon-martin/2013/07/12/id/514847
When the jurors asked to stop at 6pm I thought that was a good sign. Perhaps they already have a verdict and wanted to sleep on it. Had there been work to do to arrive at a consensus this push ahead jury would have stayed until as late as the Judge would have allowed them to. I’m hoping to hear there is a verdict tomorrow.
Thanks Coreshift.
The Hannity George Zimmerman special edition tonight is MOST EXCELLENT! Tons and tons of real legal experts discussing how the state completely farkled the case
Anne Coulter makes an excellent point…..most of the same people who tried to lynch duke lacrosse attempted to lynch george zimmerman
They also support freeing Jahar (Boston bomber), Julian Assange (Wikileaks) and #UniteBlue. I’m not a democrat or liberal, but I would think true democrats and liberals would be cringing that these people (nutjobs) claim to be on the same side as them. It’s like having a rabid racist professing to be a republican or a conservative.
The Democratic Party has been hijack the same way they claim the Republican Party has by radical elements. It not my fathers Democrat party.
Jury Instructions and Deliberations begin – Thanks AJ!
Piers Morgan is a shock jock intent on dumbing down his audience. Best to avoid him and not encourage the media conglomerates.
Y’all read this yet? Corey fired her IT director.http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-07-13/story/state-attorney-angela-corey-fires-information-techonology-director-who
Predictable, who’s next?