Only 2 days to screw up the previous thread so bad it needed replacing.
We’re getting dangerous.
: – )
Some times the threads really come unraveled… then they look just like dust bunnies 😉
And just when we thought it was over, it wasn’t… This dust bunny is gonna require a VERY large vacuum cleaner 😦 it’s still growing.
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
Danny, do you think the SA should have continued with the case against GZ? If so, why? Are you upset that they didn’t? Do you think it was the wrong decision?
Danny-
“I made no such claim! There is no reading between the lines with me. This is why it is important that I write a post on it. There is a context and you certainly are taking everything out of context.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
No one is taking things out of context, only from the context you have given them.
Let me explain thoroughly. We were discussing many different topics. One of those topics included the women in GZs life.I was attempting to get to the point of how these relationships have affected GZ’s view on women and relationships in a whole. But I kept getting interrupted, so I just gave up and said it would be posted on my blog. But since this non issue which has become an issue I will again attempt to post the point.
I pointed to the FBI interviews- specifically from the cousin, Veronica’s and Osterman’s. In Osterman’s interview he says that GZ told him Glayds was strict and his father did nothing when he was being abused.
Veronica stated that GZ was driven like most in his family. She said the family often spoke of financial status and material things, and how Gladys Zimmerman often spoke about marrying into white families to gain status(notice the entirety of the entire context here?) .
Initially, during the trial we found that Witness 9 accused GZ of molesting her when they were children. Putting aside whether or not, children about the same age can technically molest each other, because that is not the point of my bringing this up. She detailed five specific instances where she claimed Zimmerman touched her inappropriately throughout the years. She also stated Zimmerman touched other girls inappropriately. She made these statements prior to any debates about scorned women who are making false abuse claims. Witness 9 also stated that at family gatherings the family would often discuss marrying into white families to gain status the same as Veronica did.
In one of her statements in March 2012 she says “He was very intimidating, and the fact that he made everyone love him and made everyone laugh and be so happy around him, I knew if I said anything he would just deny it,” she said. She says she came forward now because, “For the first time in my life, I’m not afraid of him.”
Both Veronica and the cousin have stated as well as other sources that GZ was close to his Grandmother and Mother. Two women who appear to have influence over not only him but everyone in the family. Now, being that he was close to these women he certainly would want to please them. It was GZ’s ability and lessons in how to manipulate & intimidate at such a young age that begins the emerging pattern. The pattern of everything he seeks from women, to careers, to community standing which may not be his own choices but the expectations of his family,
The reason why I said Gladys would be happy that SS is white is because she has no financial status and material things…. well, yet. So at least GZ chose one out of the three in SS that he was taught to go after.
Motion hearing today in Florida v Michael Dunn
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DEFENDANT PRESENT
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STATE’S MOTION TO DENY BAIL – HELD IN FULL & TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT
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** WAIVER OF SPEEDY TRIAL **
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CLERKS MEMO OF TRIAL
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STATES MOTION TO DENY BAIL
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FINAL PRE-TRIAL 09/19/2013 9:00 AM – 408 4TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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JS – 9/23/13
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ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT
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TRANSFER TO DIV. CR-D (CIRCUIT)
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> CANCEL REASON – PER ORDER
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PRETRIAL 06/04/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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CANCELLED FINAL PRE-TRIAL ON 9/19/2013 9:00:00 AM
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> CANCEL REASON – PER ORDER
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FINAL PRETRIAL 09/19/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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9/23/13 J/S
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CASE FEES PAID: $9.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110
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RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110 REVISED
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CASE FEES PAID: $9.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110
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CASE FEES PAID: $5.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844364
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JUDGE COOPER, MALLORY
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6/4/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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6/4/2013
PRETRIAL 07/08/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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6/4/2013
9/19/13 FPT; 9/23/13 JS
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION
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6/24/2013
MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
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7/1/2013
ORDER OF RECUSAL
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7/1/2013
ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT- TO JUDGE HEALEY
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CANCELLED PRETRIAL ON 7/8/2013 9:00:00 AM
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7/2/2013
> CANCEL REASON – PER JA EMAIL
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PRETRIAL 07/16/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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AND MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION TO BE HEARD @ 1:30PM
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7/15/2013
NOTICE OF DEFENDANT’S REQUEST TO TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE
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8/6/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL
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7/16/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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7/16/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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7/16/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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7/16/2013
HEARING(S) HELD IN REGARD TO DEFT.’S MOT. TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION
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7/16/2013
> & MOT. FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
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> MOT.(S) DENIED; ORDERS ENTERED
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PRETRIAL 08/15/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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@ 9:00 AM TIME CERTAIN; TO BE HEARD BY JUDGE HEALEY; 9/19 FPT & 9/23 JS
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS-DENIED – ORDER ENTERED
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION-DENIED-ORDER ENTERED
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WITNESS SUBPOENA(S) DUCES TECUM ISSUED DEFENSE
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8/12/2013
ORDER GOVERNING PRE-TRIAL AND TRIAL PROCEDURES- STANDING
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ORDER EXTENDING COURT’S ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO DETERMINE CONFIDENTIALITY OF COURT RECORDS AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
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8/13/2013
MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE – AGREED
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8/15/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
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8/15/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. COREY, ANGELA B
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8/15/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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8/15/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
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8/15/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: ASAS: J. GUY & E. WOLFSON
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8/15/2013
MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE (DEFT’S WRITTEN) – GRANTED WITHOUT OBJECTION ORALLY BY COURT – STRIKE 9/19 FPT & 9/23 JS
153 — 8/15/2013
8/15/2013
CANCELLED FINAL PRETRIAL ON 9/19/2013 9:00:00 AM
154 — 8/15/2013
8/15/2013
> CANCEL REASON – FPT & JS CONTINUED
155 — 8/15/2013
8/15/2013
PRETRIAL 09/19/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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8/15/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
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8/15/2013
PRETRIAL 10/24/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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8/15/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
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9/20/2013
RESPONSE TO DEMAND & DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY
160 — 9/17/2013
9/20/2013
> FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL
161 — 9/17/2013
9/20/2013
RESPONSE TO DEMAND & DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY
162 — 9/17/2013
9/20/2013
> SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL
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9/19/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
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9/19/2013
STATE ATTORNEY ANGELA COREY, PRESENT
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9/19/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. GUY, JOHN INGLE
166 — 9/19/2013
9/19/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
167 — 9/19/2013
9/19/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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9/19/2013
PRETRIAL 10/09/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
169 — 9/19/2013
9/19/2013
CTRM CERTAIN – BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
170 — 9/25/2013
9/30/2013
DEFENDANTS WITNESS LIST
171 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
172 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. GUY, JOHN INGLE
173 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
174 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
175 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: A. COREY, STATE ATTORNEY, E. WOLFSON, ASST. STATE ATTY.
176 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
COURT DATE PREVIOUSLY SET 10/24/13 FOR PT IN CT.RM. 303
177 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ORDER TO TRANSPORT STATES WITNESS
178 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
179 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
180 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
181 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
182 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
PRETRIAL 11/07/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
183 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
CT.RM. CERTAIN; BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY @ 9AM
184 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
TEMPORARY SU SPONTE RESTRICTIVE ORDER REGARDING PRETRIAL DISCOVERY MATERIAL
185 — 10/28/2013
10/29/2013
RECEIPT FOR CIVIL PROCESS, JAIL, WARRANTS
186 — 10/28/2013
10/29/2013
MOTION TO INTERVENE, TO VACATE RESTRICTIVE ORDER AND FOR CONTINUED ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS
187 — 10/29/2013
10/29/2013
DOCUMENTS – INTERVENOR POST-NEWSWEEK STATIONS FLA. INC’S NOTICE OF JOINDER
188 — 11/1/2013
11/4/2013
NOTICE OF APPEARANCE FOR INTERVENOR POST NEWSWEEK STATIONS FLORIDA, INC, D/B/A/ WJXT-TV4
189 — 11/4/2013
11/6/2013
NOTICE OF HEARING
190 — 11/5/2013
11/5/2013
CASE FEES PAID: $11.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1968464
191 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
192 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
193 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
194 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
195 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: A. COREY & J. GUY, SAO; GEORGE GABEL, JR., ESQ. FOR MORRIS PUBLISHING
196 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
HEARING ON MEDIA’S MOTION TO INTERVENE HELD IN FULL & U/A – ORDER TO BE ENTERED
197 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
PRETRIAL 11/21/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
198 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
CTRM. CERTAIN; BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY @ 9A.M.
199 — 11/7/2013
11/7/2013
CASE FEES PAID: $3.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1970092
200 — 11/13/2013
11/13/2013
MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
201 — 11/18/2013
11/18/2013
NOTICE OF HEARING
202 — 11/19/2013
11/19/2013
ORDER GRANTING IN PART AND DENYING IN PART INTERVENORS MOTION TO INTERVENE, TO VACATE RESTRICTIVE ORDER, AND CONTINUED ACCESS TO PUBLIC RECORDS
203 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
204 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. GUY, JOHN INGLE
205 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
206 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
207 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: A. COREY, STATE ATTY; E. WOLFSON, ASA; BRAD BISHOFF, ESQ., JAC, BY TELEPHONE
208 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
HEARING ON DEFT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINIATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS HELD IN FULL AND GRANTED – ORDER ENTERED
209 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
ORDER ON DEFT’S MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINIATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
210 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
HEARING ON MOTION 12/12/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
211 — 11/21/2013
11/21/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY @ 9A.M.
212 — 11/21/2013
11/22/2013
MOTION – STATES- FOR PRETRIAL RULING REGARDING RELATIVES OF THE VICTIMS
213 — 11/26/2013
11/26/2013
MOTION FOR A JURY VIEW TO ALLOW JURY TO INSPECT THE INCIDENT SCENE DURING TRIAL
214 — 11/26/2013
11/27/2013
MOTION TO PROHIBIT SPECTATORS FROM WEARING ITEMS THAT DEPICT SUPPORT
215 — 11/27/2013
11/27/2013
RESPONSE TO STATE’S MOTION TO ALLOW STATE WITNESSES INSIDE THE COURTROOM DURING JURY TRIAL
216 — 12/9/2013
12/9/2013
ORDER ON INTERVENOR POST-NEWSWEEK STATIONS FLOIRDA , INC’S NOTICE OF JOINDER
217 — 12/9/2013
12/9/2013
DEFTS 1ST. SUPPLEMENTAL WITNESS LIST
218 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
219 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. COREY, ANGELA B
220 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
221 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
222 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: E. WOLFSON, ASA
223 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
HEARING ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO ALLOW JURY TO INSPECT THE INCIDENT SCENE DURING TRIAL HELD IN FULL AND DENIED – ORDER ENTERED
224 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
HEARING ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO PROHIBIT SPECTATORS FROM WEARING ITEMS THAT DEPICT SUPPORT HELD IN FULL AND GRANTED – ORDER ENTERED
225 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
HEARING ON STATE’S MOTION FOR PRE-TRIAL RULING REGARDING RELATIVES OF THE VICTIMS / DEFENDANT’S REPSONSE TO STATE’S MOTION – HELD IN FULL – RULING MADE ON THE RECORD – ORDER TO BE ENTERED HELD IN
226 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
HEARING ON MOTION 01/13/2014 9:00 AM – 406 4TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
227 — 12/12/2013
12/12/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY @ 9:00 A.M.
Hey David. Welcome back.
interesting case. It amazes me how many court records are filed in a criminal case like this. Can anyone give us a synopsis of this case? Is there a private attorney? It just seems unlikely that a PD would do all this work. They are way overloaded, intentionally of course.
Traybot and HLN talking head John W Phillips is private counsel for the family of the deceased
Civil wrongful death suit filed by Jordan Davis’s family. The family of Jordan Davis is trying to push to have this settled before criminal trial even begins.
Case 16-2013-CA-001133-XXXX-MA
Department Circuit Civil Division CV-B
Case Status OPEN File Date 1/31/2013
Judge Name COLE, KAREN K.
Parties
Name / DOB / DL / ID # Party Type
Race / Sex Address
DAVIS RON PLAINTIFF
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DUNN MICHAEL DEFENDANT
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Mcbath Lucia PLAINTIFF
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Name Address Type
Phillips, John Michael [redacted]
Jacksonville, FL 322104424 Private Attorney
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1/31/2013
TRANSFER TO DIV. CV-B (CIRCUIT)
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1/31/2013
OTHER NEGLIGENCE – OTHER
3 — 1/31/2013
1/31/2013
CASE FEES PAID: $411.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1751802
4 — 1/31/2013
1/31/2013
SUMMONS ISSUED – MICHAEL DUNN
5 — 1/31/2013
2/6/2013
COMPLAINT, SUMMONS ISSUED 1
6 — 1/31/2013
2/6/2013
COVER SHEET
7 — 1/31/2013
2/6/2013
DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL
8 — 2/11/2013
2/16/2013
SUMMONS RETURNED INDICATING SERVICE ON MICHAEL DUNN 2/7/13
9 — 3/6/2013
3/12/2013
REQUEST FOR ADMISSIONS PLTFF’S
10 — 3/11/2013
3/11/2013
AMENDED COMPLAINT
11 — 3/22/2013
3/25/2013
MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME
12 — 3/25/2013
3/28/2013
MOTION TO STAY
13 — 3/26/2013
4/1/2013
RETURN OF SERVICE MICHAEL DUNN, 03042013
14 — 3/27/2013
4/2/2013
NOTICE OF COMPLIANCE WITH RULE 2.516 AND DESIGNATION OF E-MAIL ADDRESS
15 — 3/28/2013
4/3/2013
RETURN OF SERVICE ON SUMMONS NOT SERVED ON 02/04/13 @ 10AM TO MICHAEL DUNN
16 — 3/28/2013
4/3/2013
RESPONSE TO MOTION TO EXTEND TIME TO ANSWER AND MOTION FOR STAY/PLTFS/ATTY
17 — 4/12/2013
4/15/2013
NOTICE OF HEARING (PLAINTIFF’S) ON 6/14/13 @ 11:30AM RM 705
18 — 5/23/2013
5/28/2013
MOTION FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT (PLAINTIFF’S FOR PARTIAL) AND MEMORANDUM IN SUPPORT
19 — 5/24/2013
5/27/2013
MEMORANDUM IN OPPOSITION TO PLTFS’ MOTION FOR PARTIAL SUMMARY JUDGMENT
20 — 5/24/2013
5/27/2013
MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE MOTION FOR RELIEF FROM AND WITHDRAWAL OF TECHNICAL ADMISSIONS- ATTY FOR DEFT
21 — 6/5/2013
6/6/2013
NOTICE OF HEARING (PLAINTIFF’S AMENDED) 06/18/13 AT 10:30 A.M., RM 705
22 — 6/5/2013
6/6/2013
NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING RESCHEDULED 06/18/13 AT 10:30 A.M., RM 705 (PLAINTIFF’S)
23 — 6/5/2013
6/17/2013
PLAINTIFFS CERTIFICATE
24 — 6/5/2013
6/17/2013
NOTICE OF CANCELLATION
25 — 6/7/2013
6/10/2013
MOTION TO CONSOLIDATE FOR DISVOERY PURPOSES (PLAINTIFF’S)
26 — 6/7/2013
6/17/2013
MOTION PLNTF’S TO CONSOLIDATE FOR DISCOVERY PURPOSES WITH 2013/CA/1134
27 — 6/14/2013
6/16/2013
NOTICE OF FILING AFFIDAVIT IN SUPPORT OF DEFT’S MOTION TO STAY
28 — 6/18/2013
6/18/2013
NOTICE OF FILING (PLTF) EXCERPTS & VIDEOS FROM DEF MICHAEL DUNN’S POLICE INTERROGATION (SEE NOTES FOR LOCATION OF VIDEO DISC EXHIBIT A)
29 — 6/24/2013
6/25/2013
ORDER DENYING MOTION (DEFENDANT’S) TO EXTEND TIME TO ANSWER AND DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO STAY ACTION
30 — 7/1/2013
7/2/2013
MOTION TO DISMISS (DEFENDANT’S) COUNTS II, IV AND V OF PLAINTIFF’S AMENDED COMPLANT AND INTEGRATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW (DEFENDANT’S)
31 — 7/1/2013
7/2/2013
ANSWER AND AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES (DEFENDANT’S)
32 — 7/1/2013
7/2/2013
RESPONSE TO REQUEST FOR ADMISSIONS (DEFENDANT’S)
33 — 7/1/2013
7/2/2013
MOTION TO STRIKE PORTIONS OF PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT (DEFENDANT’S)
34 — 7/17/2013
7/21/2013
REPLY TO AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSES (PLTF’S)
35 — 10/4/2013
10/6/2013
NOTICE OF HEARING (PLAINTIFF’S) 12-10-2013@10AM RM 705
36 — 11/14/2013
11/14/2013
NOTICE OF SERVING PROPOSAL FOR SETTLEMENT TO DEFENDANT
37 — 12/5/2013
12/5/2013
NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (PLAINTIFF’S) SET FOR 12/10/2013 AT 10 AM IN ROOM 705
boricuafudd ~ you stated: “GZ is partly responsible as is paying the price for his actions, unless you call getting arrested again not paying he price.”
bori ~ GZ had a window of opportunity to leave, HE CHOSE NOT to. I consider GZ getting arrested a consequence for being so damn OBSTINATE & a consequence of his OWN actions which GZ is solely responsible!
I believe GZ was ASKED to leave not ONCE, but TWICE, I believe SS ask GZ to leave BECAUSE by GZ’s OWN statement they had discussed that morning that he was going to leave the premises BUT GZ CHOSE not to leave the premises & return when cooler heads prevailed. LE escorts individuals ALL the time to retrieve belongings in a volatile situation, they too would have escorted GZ. This was not a 15 minute argument but had been ongoing. The discussion was not subsiding, but escalating. Could GZ have left? WHAT can anyone do BUT ask someone to leave when an argument is not resolving but escalating, I would have done the same. There is NO EXCUSE for GZ’s decisions.
OF COURSE GZ could NOT have LEFT AFTER the 911 call was placed & it’s SAD GZ CHOSE NOT to leave but stay & argue in which he did. If an ass hole had me locked out of my home by blocking the door & I could not enter w/my house w/the key, I TOO would have called 911 on him faster than he could blink.. LE couldn’t get in w/the key so how could SS, the door was blocked, GZ didn’t want SS in that house, NOR did he want LE in the house banging w/the door blocked. MORE decisions GZ solely made.
For you to speculate if GZ could have “diffused the situation or caused it to escalate,” IS NOT the PROBLEM GZ caused himself & I am really surprised at your statement! For you to use your analogy w/GZ as forming thoughts on your marriage is inappropriate! WHY? This is a 4 month relationship, not a marriage NOR a long term marriage, not even a marriage of 6 yrs. that GZ had w/SZ..
I stated BEFORE this would happen when I stated after the SZ incident, this SAME behavior would happen AGAIN if GZ didn’t USE better JUDGMENT & REMOVE himself from ANY potential altercation! It wasn’t popular then w/those that made excuses for GZ behavior! GZ could have CHOSEN to NEVER stop at SZ’s house that day. Does anyone think anything ANYTHING positive was going to happen when GZ made a decision to stopbut yet MANY mande endless excuses fo GZ stopping, WHEN CLEARLY better choices could have been made! POOR JUDGEMENT ruled the day! When GZ KNEW there would be problems when he got out of the truck but CHOSE TO ANYWAY, problems arose & escalated! My opinion BASED ON FACTS & not emotion were the same w/that incident as they are in this incident. OPINIONS or speculation aren’t facts. I use the FACTS, what BETTER JUDGEMENT could ANYONE have used to PREVENT FURTHER altercations of this nature OHER THAN looking at previous POOR Judgement displayed in a previous altercation. It wasn’t popular then nor now for those that REFUSE to see CHOICES GZ clearly had & the excuses they continue to make for his behavior & will always make. Is GZ perfect or is anyone else? no , why make excuses for bad Judgement? Does GZ learn anything FROM past altercations, BOTH altercations included, imo, NO!
JUST AS I STATED this would happen AGAIN, IT DID!! How many months since the last altercation? How many more months UNTIL the next altercation making news. UNTIL GZ learns to remove himself from altercations INSTEAD of hanging around to argue, it will happen over & over. The same supporters that make excuses for GZ’s sole poor Judgement, will continue to make excuses for his poor Judgement then.
I STATE AGAIN: Unless GZ changes GZ & gets some type of professional HELP on how to AVOID situations that put himself at RISK in future altercations since he doesn’t seem capable of learning anything from past experiences, this SAME behavior will be repeated over/ over & over! How long UNTIL the next time altercation? Judging GZ’s future behaviors by HIS PAST behavior, you need ONLY wonder how long it will be. Some that support GZ’s poor Judgement when better Judgement could have been used, will continue to do so. A lot of GZ supporters no longer defend him due to drama, some do on blogs, but MOST no long bother.
I supported GZ in the Criminal Trial & I want nothing but good things for GZ’s future. I hold GZ RESPONSIBLE for his poor choices to AVOID conflict. Others can continue to make excuses. I hope GZ’s own potential poor judgement doesn’t lead to jail time or worse.
We DON’T even know if there was a gun pointed at SS though some choose to believe there never was. We know GZ says he didn’t, BUT was it, we don’t know? DID SS LIE then or now SO GZ could get out of trouble, so GZ could get his guns back as SS didn’t realize that would be one of GZ’s consequences? She sounded angry & mad to me imo. BECAUSE SS RECANTED does not make GZ innocent imo, It just gives GZ a get out of free card. I think GZ was dishonest about some things, GZ doesn’t get a free pass from me BECAUSE he gets to go back to his “girlfriend” because she recanted.
Art –
Your exposition makes a lot of sense.
Especially the point that you rely on facts.
The big question is – what are all the facts? Do we know enough of the salient facts? Are there facts that we are not aware of that bear on this matter? These unknowns allow for a variety of interpretations.
For my part, I do believe that GZ could have acted more judiciously. But that does not put him necessarily in the “wrong” column. I don’t believe that I know enough of what is going on in the background to properly assess matters beyond the range of reasonable speculation.
So in relying “on the facts”, I think that we must be continuously mindful that we may not have access to “all” facts necessary.
“There is NO EXCUSE for GZ’s decisions.”
Not that anyone even needs an excuse for not wanting and/or even refusing to leave their own home…
…but where exactly is he supposed to go on a moment’s notice? Disneyland?
Have you considered for even a second the very unique circumstances George is in… most hated man in America, bounty on his head, millions out there who would love to earn the bragging rights as the person who ‘got’ George Zimmerman, has to wear disguises in public for his own personal safety.
And the whole ‘if he’d a just got in his car and left’ is in the exact same vein as the ‘if he’d a just stayed in his car’ logic from the Trayvon crowd… and it’s coming from the same well of personal bias. Trayvon was a minority so let’s automatically blame the cracker / Scheibe is a woman so let’s automatically blame the man.
The man can’t win for losing and he can’t even wipe his #@! without it making headlines and armchair voyeurs deciding he should have wiped front to back and not back to front.
right on.
as if making mistakes ain’t the most natural human quality, we need people to condemn not just judge a person for any error.
what happened to the adage, we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
none of the mistakes GZ has made amount to a crime or the need to punish him or condemn him as a stupid fool, he is just another human being HOWEVER he is under more scrutiny and harassment than any single person in America.
As I asked coreshift yesterday. (He did not answer) Had GZ just popped on the screen after the Scheibe incident with all of this background would you still feel the same?
again danny…all of WHAT background…there is ZERO background that Zimmerman has been proven guilty of yet you obsessively drone on and on about it
I am not talking legally. I am not attempting to PROVE anything. Simply compiling an observation . And David Truth is not Majority rules. 51% of a group CAN be wrong.
Danny you continue to argue that George is gulty of bad acts in the absence of evidence that George is guilty of said bad acts and you seem to be committing the fallacy of argument from ignorance
On one hand you will defend his bad acts and then on the other hand you say he committed no bad acts.
But I am being fallacious?
What bad acts? Defending himself from a thug? Speeding? Touring a gun factory (I’d actually like to do that someday). Leaving a house he was living at the very same day he was asked to leave? The only thing I can see that GZ did that might be a ‘bad act’ was breaking the iPad. And reportedly that was after he was ‘bonked’ on the head with it (several times) by Shellie.
I was already through this with you when he got arrested this past time.
March 30, 2012 GZ’s ex fiancé was interviewed by the FBI. GZ met Veronica sometime in 2001. They dated and became engaged sometime in 2002 or 2003. Soon after the engagement she claims GZ changed. He became more territorial and possessive of her, telling her amongst other things how to dress. The relationship began to deteriorate when the moved into together. She asked they go to pre-marital counseling and he agreed.
She named three incidents in why she broke off the engagement. The last incident is when GZ came home late one night from playing basketball and went straight to bed. Unbeknownst to her this was the night he was arrested for battery on the DEA agent. She ended up answering a call from a female who was calling to see if GZ was alright. During the conversation she was told GZ was telling people he was no longer engaged and that he was representing himself as single on a dating website. After Veronica confirmed and then confronted GZ a pushing match ensued after GZ ‘s excuse was that he was afraid he was losing her and did not want to be alone . Her dog lunged at GZ and GZ kicked the dog in the stomach. She waited until he left for work in the morning, packed all her belongings minus her gifted jewelry and engagement ring and moved to her parents.
She states from there GZ called her frequently to apologize and to ask her on dates so they could reconcile. She agreed to the dates in hopes of reconciling. However she states she soon realized he was a good talker and very persuasive, he had not changed so she no longer was interest.
In 2005 Veronica moved to an Orlando townhouse. She was coming home between 9:30-10:30 pm and noticed GZ’s car leaving her complex. She called him to see why he was there. He said he wanted to come and talk to her about his grandmother. She agreed to let him come back and talk. It was getting late and she asked him to leave. He asked to stay and she refused. He then grabbed her cellphone and put it in his pocket and told her he was not leaving. She attempted to retrieved her phone from his pocket when her dog lunged and bit GZ on his face. She was able to retrieve her phone and called the police. He left before they arrived.
At the advice of police she filed an injunction the next morning. The day after GZ was served he filed his own injunction. Zimmerman made essentially the same claims she had but in reverse. Veronica’s FBI statements says that he claimed she accused him of being womanizer and scratched him in the face after he refused to stay the night with her. A mutual 1 yr. injunction was filed.
The ex couple had not had any contact for a few years when GZ began emailing Veronica in 2010. He requested they meet up and talk, which they did. They met a few times between 2010 and 2011. According to the FBI interview Shellie and GZ’s were legally separated in 2/2011 when GZ again contacted Veronica.
On other personal notes Veronica stated that GZ was driven like most in his family. She said the family often spoke of financial status and material things, and how Gladys Zimmerman often spoke about marrying into white families to gain status. Veronica said GZ had a bad temper during their relationship, but she believed the problem was the drug Accutane. She also said that during arguments he would get depressed and talk about killing himself. She believed it was for sympathy and attention.
Sure. But Nettles already covered what happened way back in 2005.There was no domestic violence. None.
We are not discussing legal jargon or legal terms. It is to develop a pattern of bad acts not criminal acts.
You’ve got a huge gap between 2005 and 2013. And George was married without incident for most of those years.
I said we were talking about Veronica. But….Shellie herself has hinted she was psychologically abused by GZ during their marriage during a Katie Couric interview. What we do know is that she was not home the night of the shooting because she had previously left the home after GZ publicly humiliated her about feeling ill when they were out. She has stated she became a shell of a person in her marriage. She has stated she has had low self esteem for some time.
And all the bashing you did of Shellie about doing interviews and talking about her marriage and GZ. She obviously did not reveal all of it. Because he was emailing Veronica in 2010 (seems he began to look for someone new when he felt he going to be alone. He did to Shellie what he did to Veronica) They were separated in 2011 when he began emailing Veronica again wanting to see her. That is when he discussed that he wanted children and his wife did not. Fast fwd to Feb 2012 and Shellie was not even home on the 26th. She left him. Of course we all know she stood by him and even perjured herself for him throughout the trial. He was traveling the country undetected until stopped by police in Texas, and they separated the second week of August 2013. So where do you get there is a HUGE gap. There is a gap but it is not huge. They married in November 2007. So from 2007-2009 no accounts. From 2010 till now there is. That is a two year HUGE gap.
You haven’t been in many relationships, have you? Everything you’ve been talking about is typical when a relationship sours. And keep in mind we haven’t heard George’s side of the story. This is just Veronica’s (biased) recollection.
We are going to stay on the facts not lack of experience or personal experience.
“This is just Veronica’s (biased) recollection.”
He filed an injunction too, so why not provide those details?
Huh? These are the FBI interviews, right? AFAIK he wasn’t interviewed by the FBI in the witch hunt to see if he was racist. Which is, of course, why the FBI did those interviews. Anyways, link me to GZ’s accounting of the events or admit that relying solely on Veronica’s accounting is relying on a biased accounting.
I thought Nettles went over this already here and the conclusion was what? You guys concluded that without his injunction?
Nettles summarized Veronica’s account of events. Do you think GZ’s account would be more favorable to Veronica?
No but you are defending him right? So defend him.
Defend him against what? Having a relationship that went bad?
core,
Follow the rules of the debate. Facts. You agreed to debate Veronica. Find GZ’s injunction against Veronica’s claims on 1. Why he was at her house in Orlando in 2005 2. What happened by his account when he was there 3. What he claimed in his injunction?
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You haven’t specified anything in Veronica’s account that’s atypical of a souring relationship and needs defending.
Just call it coreshift. You lost the debate.
Why was he in Orlando? You know exactly what I am saying. Just that question answer.
Huh? You haven’t argued anything yet. He was in Orlando to see Veronica, obviously.
Really?
Anyone? Can anyone tell me where GZ was living in 2005?
IHNI. What’s the relevance?
Core,
I really am expecting you and Nettles to be able to handle this. It is you two against me and you were all go. We have not even begun to touch this……
Facts. That is the rule. You can not quit now. And if you do call it.
It has to be somewhere in discovery in the GZ legal files because it was mentioned in court and used by prosecutors. Somewhere in the bond hearing? 2012 bond hearing(s) that is.
Excellent points, Coreshift. He is making bad decisions in who to trust. That can happen when someone’s spirit is broken. His spirit was not broken by Gladys but by the the media reporting that he had hunted down a child walking home from getting candy because he wasn’t use to seeing blacks in his gated community.
+1,000,000
Doncha think is a little weird that when GZ was on the phone with 911 he was being the calm cool collective caring BF. Telling all of us how he didn’t want to argue with her because she is pregnant. She didn’t want to raise the baby with him so he offered to co-parent and how he just wanted everyone to know the truth. Okay…. but….he pushed her out the door and locked it. His pregnant ( to his knowledge att) GF. But wait I am sure you will find an excuse.
Put any normal person’s entire life under a microscope for everyone to scrutinize, have the press and the DOJ and the FBI and the SAO put feelers out there to find any person anywhere (an ex, family member, a teacher, a coworker, anyone will do) who might have something anything negative to say about them…
…and you’d get the same results, probably worse.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could all log on and hear George Zimmerman’s opinion on how we live our lives? I think he would be kinder but he shouldn’t be.
God has a purpose for George. It’s yet to be revealed.
Nettles you have done the same thing to everyone except him. That is all this blog is about …..George Zimmerman and opinions.
Who should the blog be about, Santa Claus?
Look it is available and he makes it available. Just as everyone critical of Shellie said “het she did the interview”. He is no different. No different then when Shellie’s mom filed police reports. NO different when people doxxed witness. No different. So you see the double standard?
Because what I am hearing is the only reason you do defend his repeated actions is because he is under more scrutiny.
I agree Cassandra. I think GZ is making mistakes. He should not have gotten involved with that woman, especially not when he was still married. He is vulnerable. I’m not sure how many of us could go through 2 years of being the most hated person in America just for defending his life. Considering all the hate and death threats, you’d think he’d done something as bad as Hitler.
I do not see the similarity in ‘if he’d just got in his car and left’ and ‘if he’d a just stayed in his car’ other then both sentences have “car” in them. The car argument was a moral argument because he has already called 911. Where as getting in the car argument is to avoid calling 911.
Art-
You missed the point of my analogy. It was to say that I have had altercations in the past with my wife that had escalated to a point that it should not have to. But at the time we were young and we did not see it coming. In time we learned to not allow that to happen, as may GZ and SS if they stay together or whoever they have relationships with.
“We DON’T even know if there was a gun pointed at SS though some choose to believe there never was.”
As you say “We DON’T” know but YOU CHOOSE to believe that there was a GUN POINTED, some others need something more that just a feeling a belief. This is what drives the supporters of Kendrick Johnson to believe that no matter how implausible or improbable it may be that their son was beaten and stuck into rolled up wrestling mat.
As for the rest I think Hooson said it best, do you or any of us have all the salient facts to make a determination like this with this certitude.
bori ~ I understood clearly your analogy w/your wife.
DON’T ACCUSE me of believing GZ pointed a GUN at SS! I said ” I DON’T KNOW or NOT if GZ pointed a GUN at SS, I don’t know NOR do you r anyone else. You have no idea bori what happened w/the gun! I stated I didn’t believe everything GZ stated & I don’t, & SS is a proven she’s a liar. But what all has been LIED about & by whom? NO ONE KNOWS or will likely ever know UNTIL this whole mess blows up again & makes more media.
Did SS recant her original statement to get GZ out of jail? I DON’T KNOW NOR does any one else! Is she lying then or now? You DON’T know that answer NOR does anyone else, no one knows if what SS recanted is even true or NOT. We will likely never know.
One thing is for certain, HAD GZ removed himself from the property, there would be NO STORY, no discussion, no excuses, or 911 called, National News, etc. You want to argue the what “if’s,” because GZ CHOSE to stay. I have stated CLEARLY had GZ left, NO NEWS! You are picking the story up where GZ stayed by choice & there are no facts to prove what all has been lied about.
You want to DISREGARD the choices GZ had & the consequences that resulted in choosing to stay & argue, some MORE! imo, that’s a no brainer, if you aren’t in an ongoing situation in which JW said “escalated,” then you have no problems. It’s ONLY when you choose to stay, 911 is called, you have no choices left, TOO LATE!l You want to “speculate” what could have happened, but you don’t have facts to SUPPORT any theories. We don’t know.
Could it have been avoided? YES!
Art-
Please read what you have written, it is not I who is making conclusions but you. All based on second hand and third hand information. I was cautioning and relating how the interpretations that we give events can ultimately determine how we view them.
I am not speculating but calling for caution as we don’t have all the facts. You are not, please take a minute and re-read what I have said to you and Danny. I draw no conclusions and I will gladly admit that you and Danny could be right but you don’t take a similar vein. In your opinion your are clear as it is your right, in mines I rather have something more than speculation.
bori – The conclusion I have drawn is that GZ should have left that home & avoided further escalation which could have led to 911 being called & was, that is a FACT which I have stated repeatedly. It is NOT based on 2nd or 3rd hand information. IT’S COMMON SENSE! We know it was a BAD DECISION for GZ to stay because look at the results! GZ isn’t a winner nor is SS. Understand WHY MOM has distanced himself, I certainly get it, who needs the aggravation, NOT MOM. He’s done!
bori – I’m sure there is NO argument you could make that GZ made the right choice to hang around & continue arguing w/SS!
Anyone that doesn’t understand it was a bad idea for GZ to continue to stay & argue need only read about this whole trashy mess in which there are NO winners in ALL the MEDIA stories. This story is like some of the trashy reality shows on cable TV that people watch for entertainment & laugh at.. Sad imo GZ has chosen to get mixed up w/SS but that is solely another choice he made.
Art-
Do you realize that you are using two standards, one for GZ and a different one for SS?
You say that GZ that he should not have continued to argue with SS, and just leave. Well he was packing to leave as he was asked.
Could he have left before the altercation started and SS called the cops, of course. At the same time SS could have stopped arguing once she saw that GZ was leaving as she says she wanted.
That is what I am trying to say, you put the onus solely on GZ, but baring evidence to the contrary both appear equally responsible.
I personally agree with you Bori when it comes to the escalation of arguments to a specific level and how quickly inexperienced couples can go from 0-60 in seconds. I agree not all relationships are the same, nor do they deal with issues the same. I agree that it may have gotten so out of hand because the couple is very knew to each other. And I understand your point in not really knowing all the facts or the sources of those facts being unconfirmed.
Although Art and I agree 99% of the time I do not feel I am even part of this debate. I understand where she is going. I voiced that.
But she and I are not coming to the same conclusions. She is viewing this as a Shellie 2.0 & I am viewing this as a planned event.
Interesting!!
The possibility that they created the whole incident to be able to sell the interviews they had shopped around earlier to no success has occurred to me.
That just illustrates how little we know of the situation and of GZ, which is exactly I call for caution.
That is where I am heading. But before I do I need to show people he is capable of such manipulation and why.
My intent is in now way an attempt to say he did not act in self defense. I could totally refute anyone who ever claimed he ever acted in malice or forethought when he shot TM. He is solid with me there. Solid as a rock. This has NOTHING to do with that case. It is complex but it deals with sociology. It is the best way I can put it. I think it could help in the future. Help in all areas that we have discovered through this case.
There are certain things you can be confidant in because you have seen the pattern repeated. And it does not personally effect you it is easier to study. You are a political philosophical guy, I am sure you get the jest of the study of sociology. It would never be successful if there was not critical analysis. Sometimes you know enough, you do not always need to know it all. Refining the theoretical understanding of social processes does not require knowing it all.
So discussing these topics… which are debatable “facts” not all of them are debatable, but the point is finding what is acceptable.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/the-grio/53812755/#53812755
George Zimmerman’s attorney Jayne Weintraub spoke exclusively with NBC ‘Today’ Show legal analyst Lisa Bloom about the domestic dispute her client was involved in last month. Weintraub said she believes the incident between Zimmerman and his girlfriend Samantha Scheibe was an ‘argument between two people that escalated.’ Weintraub would not comment on whether or not Schiebe and Zimmerman have continued their relationship.
Those who are siding with Samantha on certain issues continue to ignore that George was under no obligation to leave the residence in the absence of a properly serviced written 30 days notice or court eviction proceedings. After I believed 48 hours in the residence…and george had about 90 days….he was co-equal with samantha in his right to ouccpy the residence in the eyes of the law.
I AM NTM – It wasn’t whether GZ was obligated to leave, the point is, HAD GZ used better Judgement & left, there NEVER WOULD have been an incident to argue about or call 911 for!
I hope the love birds are happy, GZ is fully aware that SS/mother are grifters! I fear the “be careful what you wish for” will bite GZ in the butt.
Art I understand you postition. I can also make the rebuttal of HAD Samantha used better Judgement & left, there NEVER WOULD have been an incident to argue about or call 911 for! George had just as much right to be there as Samantha.
I ANTM – WHY would SS leave, the house is rented in Samantha’s name & doesn’t she have a child that lives there too w/the child’s belongings? It’s difficult to uproot children, no matter what age as they are usually in school & have schedules. Doesn’t SS have a job to go to? GZ doesn’t, he has no children, it just seems he could have accommodated SS.
GZ is the one that doesn’t need the bad press, GZ knows that anything he does is going to make National News & did. Nobody cares about SS, LOL!
Again Art I will repeat what you and Danny have already been told REPEATEDLY…..after 48 hours George and Samantha were co-equal in their right to occupy the residence. Neither s right superseded the others.
I will say this before I part and take my research elsewhere. This blog since October soon after Shellie filed for divorce has gone down the tubes. I remember when Scott posted here and it was not eye opening at the time,for me,but is completely true.
You DAVID are well known througout. Your mere association on a blog is bad for any ones reputation.
I have done some research on some posters here.
I see why some keep this association.
I will also offer up that we have yet to see any evidence that George wants anything at all to do with Samantha. All jayne did is what any good defense opportunity would do and that is exploit an opportunity for the chance against your client to be dismissed
So you are now saying JW ask for the “NO Contact Order for GZ to be lifted to see his girlfriend” was just a lie! So JW LIED to the Judge?
I don’t believe that for a minute. GZ has no long term place to go & probably might think at least he had sex staying at SS’s house! GZ hasn’t displayed good Judgement imo, I don’t expect him to use good Judgement & stay away from SS, I fully expect GZ to return to SS.
Maybe they’ll do a reality show!
The motion for modification of bond was nothing more than a “vehicle” to get samantha’s declaration before the court and force the prosecutors hand. pretty simple really.
That has been of my opinion too. Especially when reading exactly what the motion said and how it was written. JMO
nivco ~ this is the second time I have read “a second’s notice” in 2 days in threads BUT your information is INCORRECT! This was a discussion that day that had been ongoing, wasn’t resolved, & escalating. So your excuses for a “seconds notice” are that, just excuses.
I HAVE CONSIDERED the situation GZ is in & have seen it before! It’s ONLY new to those that haven’t followed KC’s case or OJ’s. I am saddened GZ hasn’t made BETTER decisions but GZ has done what he wanted. KC is still the most HATED woman in America, 85% of the American public thinks she has gotten away w/the murder of a 2 1/2 yr. old child! She too wears disguises & possibly will the rest of her life! KC continues to have DEATH threats YET she has lived under the radar & HAS NOT USED POOR Judgement in situations that have garnered ANY MEDIA attention that GZ has displayed! KC doesn’t want the MEDIA attention, she’s isn’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize her privacy, her home in which NO ONE knows the location but Baez/her parents, or the life she has created. Should KC USE POOR JUDGEMENT in a situation, she will again be in National News daily, she will again be stalked, & have to move. NOTE that it has been 2 1/2 years since KC’s NOT Guilty verdict!
Why would you give a rat’s ass where GZ went in ALL the time he had to leave Samantha’s house, it wasn’t a seconds notice as you had hoped in making excuses for GZ. GZ is 30 yrs. old, he doesn’t NEED, at least I hope to be instructed where to go WHEN he needs to remove himself FROM an ongoing argument that wasn’t resolved. GZ could have visited his parent’s, gotten take out food, washed his truck, rode over to Texas again, it’s NOT rocket science. WHO cares where GZ could have gone or what he did as long as he used good Judgement?
The LOGIC is & has NOTHING to do w/the TM crowd, ridiculous analogy:
IF GZ DOESN’T REMOVE HIMSELF FROM SITUATIONS that aren’t resolved & escalating & chooses to stay & argue more, HE WILL experience trouble EVERY SINGLE TIME as well as face the consequences. Most GZ supporters aren’t making excuses this time around in the blogs, very few are defending GZ. imo, GZ has not lost support for the Criminal Trial, but has lost the voice of many supporters that went to bat for him in the Criminal Case & choosing not to respond to the TM supporters . I support good things for GZ but recognize he is human, that his INABILITY to use better judgement has & WILL CONTINUE to cause him consequences that land him in National Media time & again.
nivco ~the man could WIN EVERY SINGLE TIME by showing better Judgement! KC has shown Fla. she doesn’t want to be in National News daily, GZ could learn from KC’s example. I guess KC must “get the bigger picture” that is lost on GZ.
I think George showed excellent judgement and went way above and beyond what he had to do. He was leaving that very day. You don’t seem to understand how accommodating to Samantha’s wishes that is. He was actually leaving his home on a moment’s notice. I doubt he even had time to arrange for a place to stay.
coreshift ~ It WASN’T a moments notice, WHY those making excuses for GZ continue to say that is BEYOND me! That had been an ongoing argument that day!
I disagree that GZ was accommodating, he certainly wasn’t accommodating to let LE in when they were banging on the door, he wasn’t accommodating when SS couldn’t even use her key to get in her home because of the junk in front of the door. HAD GZ been accommodating, he would have opened the door politely, LE was just doing their job & SS wanted back in her home. GZ did nothing accommodating!
WHO cares if GZ needed to make arrangements for somewhere to stay? Taaffe would have allowed GZ to stay w/him & possibly countless others. If GZ had left, cooled down, allowed SS to cool down, he could have possibly returned that evening & things worked out. WHO KNOWS!
How do you know how long they were arguing? And I consider asking someone to leave and insisting they move right then and there, to the point of actually tossing their stuff outside, a moment’s notice.
Gee, maybe he didn’t want to get shot. He almost did when Shellie called the police on him. Maybe he didn’t want to have another media event where he’s filmed being treated like a dangerous criminal. Helicopters and all.
Why do you think SS tried to use her key to get into her house?
The evidence of someone losing their cool points to Samantha. Kicking someone out w/o giving them any notice isn’t a rational act. Tossing their stuff outside isn’t a rational act. What did GZ do to deserve it? The only evidence of yelling and screaming going on came from Samantha. Not George.
Are you truly not understanding they were living together for months? You think he should have just left w/o taking any of his stuff? Not his clothes? Not his guns? Nothing? Not even his toothbrush? IMO, you’re being as irrational as Samantha was.
Art the point you keep missing is Samantha had zero authority to give ANY notice other than a properly serviced written 30 days notice
I AM NOT TM!
I TRULY get what you are saying. I really do! My statement is that GZ HAD A CHOICE to remove himself from the situation & he chose not to, he could have returned later. You state GZ had a legal right to stay. BUT! When SS claimed “GZ pointed a gun at her,” GZ was removed, hence the no contact order & if proven, that legal right you are speaking of would have been lost.
Are you understanding that had GZ LEFT, cooled down & given Samantha time to cool down, they could have possibly moved forward from that point in resolving their conflict? If the conflict couldn’t have been resolved, legal action could have been taken but since JW said GZ “wanted to see his girlfriend,” there would likely have never been any use for legal action.
We have NO WAY to know what all has been lied about by GZ or SS. SS is most certainly a grifter & has told more lies. We don’t know!
Art Samantha was OUTSIDE she had an even greater opportunity to leave and de-escalate the situation
Personally I think calling the cops is the epitome of escalation. All she had to do was let him pack his stuff and go. If she’d just left the house for a few hours he’d probably have been gone by the time she returned. No fuss.
coreshift ~ when a man r woman is being prevented from entering their home because a person inside the home is preventing them from entering, calling 911 is the right course of action & SS did just that. SS had her key BUT GZ had blocked her door s she couldn’t enter. I would have called 911 if an ass h. was preventing me from entering my home, the ass h. can act as obstinate/ immature as they want but ONLY UNTIL LE arrives, then, GAME OVER for the ass h.! LE will ALWAYS GAIN access/entrance into a person’s home every single time, there’s no need to plead or beg when someone is preventing you from entering your hoome, no need for that! LE will handle it & DID, then, SS entered her home!!
She called 911 while she was in the house. There is nothing to indicate she tried to re-enter the house. Listen to her 911 call again.
But then SS was PUSHED OUT & blocked from re-entering!
Why didn’t Samantha just let him pack up and leave as he was doing? She was getting what she wanted.
WHY would Samantha pack up & leave? The house was leased to SS, GZ was not bound by any lease. SS would be under lease for a period of time, most likely 6 months to a year. There is no information that states SS wanted to leave her home or was unhappy w/her home.
There is a lot of information that SS wanted to ENTER her home & was being prevented from doing so by GZ. If SS had gotten what she wanted, she would have gotten back in her home when she tried & couldn’t, GZ could have politely opened the door but that didn’t happen, LE opened the door!
Was she not inside when she called? Would she have remained inside if not pushed out? Are you saying she should have “gotten in the car” ?
Danny ~ it seems some can’t grasp that even though GZ had a right to be on the premises, GZ HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to prevent/block SS from entering her home.
Can you write it in simpler terms than I did because I can’t find smaller words?
It will be on my blog. It is busy right now and there are diversions here but it will be on my blog.
I know Samantha was outside & that’s the reason she called 911, she didn’t OWE GZ any favors at that point, she wanted back in her home, he wouldn’t let her in, he blocked her from entering. There was absolutely NO reason for Samantha to leave her home, it was GZ that was going to be moving, not Samantha. Samantha lived on the property longer than GZ & the property was leased to Samantha. I know GZ had a right to be there, BUT, GZ didn’t have a right to PREVENT SS from entering her home!
At the point GZ had kept Samantha out, it was PAST the point of de-escalation, I too would have called 911.on GZ. NO ONE is going to keep me out of my home, ever! Not even GZ! Obviously SS wasn’t going to be kept out of her home either & wasn’t.
For the third time Art…what part of GZ and samantha were co-equal in their right to be there residing in the home are you and danny not grasping?
Danny & I GRASP that GZ had NO LEGAL RIGHT to prevent SS from entering her home, EVER! You DON’T GRASP this fact.
GZ’s had a right to be on the property but that DOES NOT GIVE GZ the LEGAL RIGHT to PREVENT SS from entering her home. GZ CHOSE TO PREVENT SS from entering her home, SS HAD the LEGAL RIGHT to enter the property, she couldn’t get in, she called 911! LE will resolve that bull chit every single time!
Did you GRASP that? I can’t break it down any simpler for you than that if you think GZ had any legal right to PREVENT SS from entering her home by blocking her entrance. Despite GZ’s efforts, LE gained access to the home & SS successfully entered!
Look genius how was GZ denying Samantha access to the home when Samantha handed the deputies a key and they entered? DERP…BTW nice straw-man argument ART
arttart – I believe this information we have about SS telling GZ to leave all day long is based on SS’s statement – isn’t that correct? Or has GZ’s statement been released and he corroborates this (I don’t know). Anyway, my point is, if it’s just SS saying this, then we don’t know for a fact what exactly happened that day. It could just be an embellishment on her part. Both parties would be seeking to present things in as positive a light as possible for themselves.
Hello
I genuinely appreciate your blog Ms. Annette.
Here is the best “open letter”
I’ve seen in a long time addressed
to the Grifter Twins. Personally I am thoroughly disgusted by their antics.
Peace xxx
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Fred and Crane:
THIS NEEDS TO BE THE TIME YOU
BOTH FACE REALITY. Everyone is hurting in this economy. The
Difference is WE WORK.
Allergic to the word WORK????
Get the fuck over your prideful arrogant selves. Whatever demons you have just fucking swallow your pride and GET A JOB.
Give the poor parrot away to someone more responsible.
You’ve become your own worst parody of grifting addict lowlifes.
At least most people have stopped using the DISINGENUOUS TERM “Professor”.
Get a cardboard sign and quit using people that already struggle with any decent comprehension skills. You’re out to wipe out your own mouth breathers !!
Welcome Self Defense. Why is everyone swearing lately? Where is the Christmas spirit?
I’m getting fed up with my own blog, now what? LOL
Oops I am so sorry I should have edited out the person’s bad
language ! Yikes. I didn’t realize it until later. My sincere apologies. I despise cursing myself but agree with the overall message in that letter to the Leathermans.
What most disturbs me is the emotional blackmail about their expensive bird. I can handle the L’s being in some discomfort but not the poor bird!!
Curious about anyone’s thoughts on the heightened begging activity on that blog.
Does WordPress condone this or is it purely a Freedom of Speech issue?
Thanks again for everything you do!
Were you here before? I recall a Self Defense avatar but wordpress told me you were new.
I can’t say too much about Fred and his wife. I’ve largely tuned them out when I realized he didn’t deal in facts. I feel sorry for those who donate to him. Fred is good at emotional stories. To be on the Trayvon side of that, emotions near the top of the skin are essential. It’s likely why he has been successful in appealing to his emotional readers.
Best of luck to him. No matter what, I hate to know anyone struggles financially. Getting a job would help him.
I agree!
Nettles, I can’t blame you for being fed up. “Someone” owes you an apology for their atrocious behavior, and I think “they” know it. I’m not sure why things have gone crazy here, but most of us really do appreciate your hard work and what you’ve done with this blog. So don’t let the temper tantrums get to you. You are appreciated and your opinions are valued. So don’t give up on us please!
Wow! Wonder if that comment is still posted at FLLB? Thanks for sharing.
That comment was actually posted in the lounge?
Again, loved hearing the nice comments about George. May God bless him wherever he is. keep him safe, and help him find happiness.
Thanks, Nettles. That made me feel a lot better – and you too, I hope.
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submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response.
Danny in response to Coreshift
“Also if you could, cite any accusations of domestic abuse prior to that Feb 2012 date. ”
I will be citing all of those on my blog. It is too long to put here.
Danny its just my personal opinion, but it seems you are taking advantage of Nettles generosity of saying she would ban no one. You are taking things out of context and presenting them as facts. You keep saying you are going to post this or that on your blog. That is your right, and I urge you to do so and those that wish to go there and read and converse are also free. It just appears your tone here is just trying to cause discourse and possibly push Nettles to ban you so you can use that against her. My unsolicited observation, that’s what I see. Hope I am wrong.
She provided the FBI link to discuss it and asked me to state facts. I am following the rules.
Considering how scrutinized George’s life has been, the fact so little was found that could even be spun as ‘bad’ is testimony to the fact he’s a better than average man.
If not waaaaay better.
You are a sick person.
You have no right to call anyone here sick. We all have a right to discuss our thoughts and opinions.
True. my bad.
ROFLMAO nancy disgrace just said the charges were not dropped for lack of evidence “Upon reviewing the recent affidavit of the Ms. Scheibe and taking into account the conflicting statements about what occurred, the failure to cooperate with the ongoing investigation, and a lack of any other corroborating evidence or witnesses, there is no reasonable likelihood of successful prosecution,” Archer said in a written statement.
I am forever amazed WHY NG reports inaccurate information WHEN she has a staff that does her research. How hard is it to use the Internet & access Fla. News?
I don’t have cable, so I guess I’m not missing anything that NG is trying to her audience is correct. . It’s so easy to read the news online, it’s not perfect but better than NG, except for the lack of humor when watching NG’s eyeballs roll back & stick.
ROFLMAO Nancy Discrace just flat out said Zimmerman gunned down a completely innocent helpless unarmed child
ROFLMAO Taaffe just presented Nancy Grace with an Ouija board and told her maybe that would help her make more accurate predictions on the outcome of cases
Now that’s funny! 😉
She loves him. He is the ying to her yang.
Danny, if you’re trying to make a case that GZ has a history of bad relationships then I’d submit that three relationships that ended badly is not a history in my book. He has no more of a history than most everyone else. Hell, I had several before I turned 25.
I object that for the last 3 days you bury your responses to me like I can’t find them…… I eventually do. And even though you are popular on nitwit….. sorry titwit, no twitwit… twitter? …..and maybe fallonmyassbook …. I have been fortunate to stick to many more characters ….. if you get me.
just answer the question. and hit reply under dannywarrior.
LOL Obvious troll is obvious. Ok, Danny. I look forward to reading the brilliant and wordy posts on your blog.
I really hope viewers catch this real time…… because it is unbelievable…… You are calling Dannywarrior a troll?
I do not think you really want to talk about socks again do you? We can…. Just saying it would really make the season bright….
BTW interim my blog is reopened. Until I get Annette and Coreshift to honor their commitment of GZ’s ex fiancé Veronica the pattern post will be delayed…. but there is a new post on the love birds GZ and SS @ my blog.
SS got GZ arrested, and there is proof SS was shopping for stories, unlike SZ…. but since GZ is in LOVE with his crazy, not really pregnant GF who set him up…. nobody here says a thing because well….. eventually we will get to that maybe. I won’t hold my breath.
dannywarrior.wordpress.com
Danny pleae post any evidence of GZ being in love with SS or even wanting anything at all to do with SS. I already schooled you and Art on the fact that the motion to modify bond was nothing more than a convenient vehicle to get SS affidavit in front of the court and force the prosecutions hand.
you schooled me? really? I think we have to have prove that first …. who are you today? Just so I am sure. Because tomorrow you could be the 10 others who post here. Where was GZ living in 2005?
still hammering away at the same irrelevant question that does not actually help your argument danny?
And WHY did prosecutors ask SZ to testify about Veronica who was so 2005? It is a little trick question because character evidence was yet determined… But go ahead school me…..
IANTM: You haven’t schooled anyone on anything. You made a comment & voiced an opinion in which you have NO FACTS to support your opinion!!
Suggesting JW LIED to the Judge is LUDICROUS, JW is a seasoned professional, she’s not stupid & there is NO reason for JW to have lied for GZ or anyone else! If GZ DIDN’T WANT to see SS, there would be NO REASON for JW to INCLUDE the request & ask the “no contact order” be lifted so GZ could “see his girlfriend.” NONE!
Art I appreciate your assistance but JW is nothing more then a high priced media pundit with a law degree. It goes Disgrace, Jane, and Jayne. But Jayne did her job. Now she will be gibber jaws on HLN. And how many times have you seen MOM on CNN since his “contract”
Jibber jaWs lost credibility now that people know she is anti gun and pro support of a fake affidavit. That is why GZ’s pick in atty. tells us he really is attempting to rebuild his image.
“see his girlfriend.” Does not necessarily mean he wants to be with her. Could honestly mean numerous things. I personally have no knowledge of what exactly what it means to their relationship. LOL Could possibly mean he wants to tell her kiss my A$$ as much as it could mean kissy kissy… just saying. And none of us know any different.
You say you are in law school…….
Danny ~ LOL, that’s another JOKE IANTM is playing!
nope…not in law school…paralegal school and i have no problem with posting my transcripts and class registration to prove it
IANTM ~ JW filed a MOTION, if the State hadn’t dropped the case, the MOTION would have been argued in a Court Hearing.. It wasn’t a vehicle for anything, it was legal PROCEDURE followed by attorney’s.
and that shows just how little you understand about the legal system and criminal defense
What the heck do you mean : “BTW interim my blog is reopened. Until I get Annette and Coreshift to honor their commitment of GZ’s ex fiancé Veronica the pattern post will be delayed”
Your sounding pretty weird now Danny. I mean if you want to make a post on YOUR BLOG about something, then ummm like NIKE… JUST DO IT! .. Unless its like I was saying your trying to get get crap started and carry over a rant to your blog about someone here. You make no sense to me personally on what your talking about or getting at. And with that kind of behavior, I would tend not to visit your blog if that’s what it is about.
Well I hope I sound weird. And If you avoid the weirdness then please enjoy the likeness you have millions of other places.
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
? are you being sarc or an honest question?
If your looking at the courthouse stuff, there is some of that stuff that is a diff George Z
Sure
Nettles where did GZ live in 2005?
IIRC, GZ moved to Florida in 2002. It was 2005 that he had a run in at the Knight’s Library with the undercover cop. That bar is in Orlando. George moved into his parent’s retirement home in Lake Mary, I think it was in 2002.
Veronica says she met him in either 2003 or 2004. She’s in Florida too.
Nettles, DW is just messing with you/us, Here he asks IANTM upthread, and what I figured when he asked me.
DannyWarrior
December 12, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Reply
And WHY did prosecutors ask SZ to testify about Veronica who was so 2005? It is a little trick question because character evidence was yet determined… But go ahead school me…..
No. That was an actual question.
Not sure why Shellie was asked about the 2005 incidents. She hadn’t even met George then. Shouldn’t Shellie be testifying to what she has experienced first-hand with her husband?
Another thing to keep in mind, in 2005 George was 21 years old.
The point is Nettles is that…. the incident that caused the injunction happened at her place in Orlando. He lived ATT in Lake Mary. He claims that he just happened to be in his first fiancée’s neighborhood when she attacked him for refusing to sleep with her.
Wow! That’s one interpretation using a bare minimal of the facts.
I note, the incidents that BDLR told the court about on April 20th (first bond hearing) had nothing to do with the incidents that led to the injunction. You seem to like BDLR game. He told the court about Geroge smacking her in the face. Turns out that was the gum popping incident that he returned in favour. How does this man get to walk the streets (sarc).?
The incident that led to the injunction sounds to me like it started off playfully. George was hoping to stay the night. She didn’t think that would be a good idea. George put her cell phone in his pocket so she’d have to fish for it. In the wrestling they did to get her phone back, her dog became concerned George was hurting her. The dog bit him. Then things went from playful to nasty. George kicked the dog out of the way. She rightfully so didn’t like it and told him to leave. George was gone by the time the police arrived. They suggested to her she take out a restraining order. As George left her house bleeding, he decided to get a restraining order too. Both were granted. Since then, the youngsters got over their bad feeling for each other and they dined together talking about Shellie and her not wanting kids.
Shellie in her testimony on April 20th was emphatic, George is NOT a violent person.
You are pulling a BDLR, trying to make something out of smoke and mirrors. You buy it, I’m not going to.
“Wow! That’s one interpretation using a bare minimal of the facts.”
Then you say “The incident that led to the injunction sounds to me like it started off playfully. ”
Are you not interpreting what caused it?
As far as Shellie goes it seems you cherry pick her statements whenever they are supportive of GZ, and tear her to shreds when she reveals he is not the angel some have made him out to be.
“You seem to like BDLR game”
You certainly are entitled to your opinions. However, discussing the same set of facts on a specific topic means nothing more then discussing facts on a specific topic Nettles. Same facts, but the intent on the discussion and the conclusion is much different. If I wanted to establish the same argument as BDLR I would point to his legal arguments of prior bad acts. That is not my intent. My intent is to establish that GZ can be calm and cool, but he can also be a short tempered antagonist. Facts you care to dismiss. The manipulation you want to feed is that George Zimmerman is a man with no history of violence and an even tempered man who is a victim of circumstance. When the facts suggest there is a the George Zimmerman with multiple arrests for assaults and/or battery……restraining orders and a tendency to tell questionable stories. These are two different people.
Danny, trying to judge his character on how you believe he acted in a relationship breakup is foolish. Nobody is themselves in such an emotional charged situation and it takes two to tango. You also completely ignore Veronica’s summation:
“Although Zimmerman had a bad temper [Veronica] never witnessed any significant displays of anger or violence toward other people.”
I don’t think there are many people that could be said about.
I am not establishing IF he has acted violently, I am establishing whether or not he is a manipulative short tempered antagonist.
which is something you have failed to establish over and over and over
and over and over and over
I don’t think he lived in her neighborhood but I’m not sure he lived in Lake Mary either. I think it was 2004 that George’s parents came to Florida and moved into their home in Lake Mary. Not sure how long George lived with them after they moved to Florida.
Well, we have established he was not living in the same neighborhood. We have established they no longer were engaged or even dating.
So his story that she would invite him into her home after he just happened to be in her neighborhood, and she attacks him because he would not stay. Some of these claims sound very familiar…….
And every domestic incident he becomes the victim. Every domestic incident you claim these women over reacted. Or that the women is scorned. But every domestic incident the women has left him.
As I’ve stated before, calling any of these situations a domestic incident is an insult to the woman who have been victims of domestic abuse.
Here that is what they are called. A domestic for short. It establishes that an incident occurs between family or household members that are currently residing or have in the past resided together.
It could be a domestic if a Father and son are fighting. IF a brother and brother fight. If two friends who live together are fighting.
“Domestic violence” means any assault, aggravated assault, battery, aggravated battery, sexual assault, sexual battery, stalking, aggravated stalking, kidnapping, false imprisonment, or any criminal offense resulting in physical injury or death of one family or household member by another family or household member.
People do not get arrested for domestic incidents that are love spats, or for a disagreements. Usually one of the parties are asked to leave so the domestic incident does not escalate into domestic violence which obviously has clear definitions in what those criminal offenses are.
Also, I am unsure of the laws in Canada. But the law here determines what is DV and what it is not.
In order to debate you on who YOU determine to be a victim we would have to discuss the elements of the criminal act of domestic violence.
It certainly would not be equal protection under the law if States, police, and judges, determine what victim was not beaten enough to charge or convict the offender. The purpose of the law is to protect the victims not the offenders. The purpose of the definition of the law is to establish what criminal act was committed. So that you disagree on what DV is has no bearing on whether or not a women who was assaulted and simply spitting on someone could be an assault. Should we ignore the women who has a man spit in her face because another women was beaten to a pulp and needed medical attention? There is not a degree in abuse. Abuse is abuse. The only importance to what type of abuse it is, is that physical abuse brings bodily harm that is easy to see, and document.
I am sure if anyone talks to a physically abused women, she will report on a number of different types of abuse she encountered from emotional, psychological to financial abuse as well. If she does not report it she most likely is unaware it was abusive behavior. Many times abuse goes un reported. Part of the reason is because there are people like you who make them feel ashamed to even think what they are experiencing is abuse in the first place something the abuser already has down pat with their victim.
“People like me” Aren’t you charming.
In calling 911, is it ok to call for mental abuse? Is it ok to call for mental distress? Is it ok to call because you’re mad and you want to report your broken stuff?
In calling 911, and stating an emergency, I expect the caller to be in physical danger.
Police said that what they saw at the scene on Nov. 18th warranted George’s arrest. What did they see then if now their statement is there is no corroborating evidence to back up what was initially reported.
As I’ve shared, my mother had reason to call 911. She was being phsycially beaten and at times physically threatened.
Calling 911 over broken stuff and having “people like you” Danny call this domestic violence is offensive to women who do experience domestic violence and have to use the 911 system to call for help.
Nobody in their right mind would call 911 when they instigated the fight.
And I termed it Domestic as in the incident itself was a dispute between people living together. But you keep conflating two separate terms into one.
Besides the calls GZ made throughout his residency @ Twin Lakes, or filing an injunction in response to one being filed on him, has GZ ever called the police on, or tried to leave all these crazy women?
“What did they see then if now their statement is there is no corroborating evidence to back up what was initially reported.”
A broken table and guns is what they saw. But of course there would be no way to prove he did it under standards of ” Proof beyond reasonable doubt” unless SS testified. But just because legally it could not be proven does not mean he did not do it. What it means is they could not prove it.
Here is a transcript of part of Shellie Zimmerman’s Couric interview:
Shellie Zimmerman: I found out he was lying about a lot of things and he became like a pacing lion. Very unpredictable. Every single day it was like adrenaline going through my body constantly not knowing what it’s going to be like from day to day.
Couric: He was very unpredictable? Mercurial?
Zimmerman: Yes.
Couric: Were you frightened?
Zimmerman: I was. At times, I was …
Couric: I think in some ways it seems as if George is a ticking time bomb. I mean giving all these incidents, these run-ins. You know, repeated incidents over just this last year. What do you think is going to happen to him?
Zimmerman: I don’t know. I certainly hope that there are no casualties. I hope that there’s no violence. But he does seem like a ticking time bomb. I know I’m certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get maybe the help that he needs to deal with his situation and that no one else will be hurt.
It appears these women are dealing with someone they already fear and this is why they call 911 BEFORE it escalates.
“she will report on a number of different types of abuse she encountered from emotional, psychological to financial abuse as well.”
Funny thing, Danny. None of these women reported any of that. The only things they claimed occurred during the breakup or soon after. Imagine that.
As I said before, Shellie would have talked about incident after incident if there were any. Veronica would have as well. Neither one seems inclined to put up with crap or seems afraid to speak out.
There’s no there there.
I have a partial transcript of Shellie’s interview in response to one of Nettles comments.
Veronica reported a “bad temper.”
Oh and his cousin reported she was scared of him.
Yes, Danny. But you’re trying to establish some sort of history. Shellie’s comments came after filing for divorce and only cover post Trayvon incidents. She also felt betrayed because she believed he was having an affair. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t seem relevant. What’s relevant is neither Shellie nor Veronica reported incidents that occurred prior to their breakup with GZ. They most surely would have if there were any. i.e. They weren’t being abused by George in any way.
“She also felt betrayed because she believed he was having an affair. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t seem relevant. ”
That has NOT been confirmed and you are right, it is not relevant. So why mention it?
Coreshift the fact she is divorcing is irrelevant as well. The fact it occurs at a break up is also irrelevant. The timing matters none.
There is NO motive to make false abuse claims when these women are the ones that chose to leave him.
Many women do not report abuse for many reasons. Not reporting it does not mean it had not occurred. It just means it went unreported.
The only person who appears scorned is GZ when he is rejected by women he wants to be with.
His version of the story with the domestic with Shellie was that she was instigating violence against him. However, IF she did indeed provoke him to break the Ipad …..calling 911 in a panic is strange behavior for her and breaking an IPad recording her attack on him was strange behavior for him.
His story with Veronica was that she began berating him and scratched him when he tried to leave. Strange behavior she called the cops on herself and, Strange behavior for him because he left before the cops came.
His story with Samantha is that he was packing to leave at her request but she changed her mind and did not want him to go. He denied arguing with her because she was pregnant.
Strange behavior for the one who called the cops.
Sheibe prolly was scared when he choked her. But I am sure she “misspoke” and really said he was giving her Heimlich maneuver and she was “afraid” of choking.
It is the elephant in the room.
And Veronica saw it, she excused his behavior by thinking it was medication he was taking.
Shellie saw it & she still is making excuses.
Zimmerman: I think he unraveled after the trial. I think, obviously there was the prior domestic dispute with his ex-fiance. So, I think he may have had that potential all along. But certainly we’re hearing about more now. He had never assaulted me before like he did during our domestic dispute. So I would have to assume that he, yes, he did unravel after the trial.
I can only assume no women would want to be judged for choosing someone who mistreated them.
danny fails again…..fallacy of false cause
What is fallacious David? School me buddy.
how about you do your homework and find out what fallacy of false cause is and connect the dots danielle
Ok Davina
following
Nettles, how is your Christmas party planning coming along? I know your busy 😉
It’s going great! I am so in the Christmas spirit that my own blog seems like it’s on another planet.
I have the kids Christmas party this coming Sunday and the kids are looking forward to getting dressed up and seeing Santa. I love this party. The kids are wonderful with their sheer joy at the surprises we have done for them in the past. I can’t wait to see their expressions again this year.
Trying to work up racist emotion? Say it aint so. Sick!
Everything is about race… then beg… FYI I am as ticked off as anyone else about this, but there isn’t any RACE crap about it. SO why make it …oh … Race Baiting emotion stirring begging… got it.
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Thursday, December 12, 2013
The rich sure have it rough, don’t they?
Reminds me of a line by Martin Mull,
Sometimes I get so damn mad when I go home that I go outside and throw my drink across the lawn.
What sort of sentence do you think a black kid from a poor family would have received, if his parents argued and divorced instead of paying attention to him?
Yeah, I know. It’s a rhetorical question.
And District Judge Jean Boyd ain’t fit to wear the black robe.
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from last thread –
Danny and Stevie –
As I said on the last thread, I don’t lean towards believing GZ loves media attention. For one thing, he hasn’t sought to give interviews at all (granted, that might be due to temporary prohibition), but he also isn’t hiring a PR agent to speak for him or asking one of his family or friends to speak for him. I can’t think of any way that GZ could seek out attention, whether positive or negative, that wouldn’t put him in potential danger (short of becoming Spider Man in a face mask, but that’s a dangerous job to begin with lol).
But that’s the biggest reason I don’t think he is a publicity hound – it puts him at risk. A psychologically healthy person is not going to put their life at risk for the sake of publicity*. Therefore, I suspect his actions which have led to publicity, and it was negative publicity let’s not forget, were not intentional, rather they were lapses of judgment, springing from poor self-image, depression, PTSD, whatever. And suggesting that GZ may have been conspiring with SS to get this attention (and money) – personally, I highly doubt GZ would take the chance of being arrested again, which is highly likely given the negative media attention he has gotten. I don’t think more court and jail time would appeal to GZ, even if it brought in some bucks for interviews. The downside is too negative relative to any potential upside.
And while you or I might say, “oh that woman is trouble, she’s low class”, etc, it’s not always as easy to see when someone’s emotions are blinding them. Plus, we tend to attract and be attracted to our “equals” (similar to ourselves), meaning if these are the only types of women GZ is used to, then they’re the norm to him. Or, if his self-esteem has significantly decreased since he was charged, he may not feel he deserves any better.
Basically, my feeling is that he was traumatized, is rather depressed, hasn’t sought help, is rather isolated and trapped alone in his own head with negative self-thoughts, and I suspect to a large extent, he doesn’t feel he deserves much anything “too good”. He reminds me of a pinball game, like the ball careening around in the machine, his direction determined by outside forces.
*Yes, I suspect Evil Knievel must have had a few screws loose. However, athletes (I don’t consider car racers to be athletes, YMMV, no pun intended lol) who do risky things (downhill skiers, etc) at least are trying to beat their record, excel at their sports, their purpose isn’t the media attention itself.
Traybots have been positing GZ wants the publicity/attention for quite some time. This is a search of tweets containing “zimmerman” and “attention”.
Thanks, coreshift, I didn’t know that. Interesting….
A while back I said that the TM/GZ case was the wrong case to use in an effort to forward anti-gun and and ‘civil rights’ agendas. It was justified self-defense and there was absolutely no indication of race being a factor. Some want to find him guilty for something, others just want it to go away.
I am inclined to believe those who had relationships with GZ on the attention seeking behavior Coreshift. Not anyone here, or Traybots. RZj. is the same way. So is Sr.
You calling me a Traybot is just your way to dismiss the facts given to you. I think it is you & not I who knows a lil too much about Traybots. But anyway….I think people are well aware I am not some underground Traybot wanting GZ to go away. You are starting to sound like SD now. I personally had enough when I watched the video of him @ the Deans. Ya know the one where he put his hand to his shoulder holster & broke the Ipad. The one bad act you will agree he comitted, even though you believe Shellie deserved it because Ms. Misspoke confirmed Shellie hit him with the Ipad. You can confirm right on these pages when I decided GZ was an attention seeking, and should just go away.
And on other topics, you just do not seem to want to know how I came to my conclusions, which are mine and mine alone. And when I question you on how you could have came to your conclusions you avoid answering. So give up the “Danny is an underground Traybot” bit. You know it is not true. You are being intellectually dishonest with everyone here.
hi lorac:
Those are interesting points, and i agree that GZ is probably depressed. You can see that in his face and how he has let himself go. And I also agree that he is not consciously seeking media attention. Human nature though is that once someone is in the spotlight, there is a letdown after it is turned off. A natural tendency is to seek it out again, so I think he is doing it subconsciously.
GZ does have a tendency to believe that he can get away with things, and that could be why Hornsby thinks he is dangerous.
Going back to 1995, here is GZ’s reaction to a criminal proceeding with an ex:
“Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……”
and then:
“2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!”
Yet it turns out from all the testimony, that he really is just a “softie.”
I know GZ has a target on his back and the media attention makes his life harder. But it is up to him to get the counseling he needs and stop all of the stupid decisions he has made since trial. Once he understands that his ego craves that attention perhaps he can exert some self control. His problems are not unsolvable, but he needs guidance. MOM dropped him like a hot potato, because MOM does not see any money coming. And I’m sure that MOM read him the riot act and told him to grow up.
Yet George continues to be George and keeps trying to push the envelope in order to show what a real man he is. I hope it stops. I hope he takes the advice to go somewhere else, because people are going to push him in Florida. There are too many crazies out there and GZ has some serious weapons.
Stevie –
One caution with regard to GZ remarks from “1995”. He would have been 12 years old, if I am not mistaken?
More like 10, if I am not mistaken. LOL!
sorry, 2005; but you get the drift.
No one would want the media attention GZ gets, it is cruel mean spirited and hateful. I suspect GZ is relieved to be out of the spotlight.
All this conjecture about his personal perspectives and motivations is PURE speculation.
After multiple threats of death by Jordan Davis and his brandishing of a weapon, I was convinced that my life was in danger. When Mr. Davis opened his door and said ‘You’re DEAD expletive! This expletive is going down NOW,’ I was convinced that the loss of my life was imminent, I had no choice but to defend myself, I am NOT a murderer. I am a survivor.”
Seems like the Michael Dunn case is going to come down to the same jury question: Did MD have a reasonable fear that his life was in danger? There will be witnesses–the other survivors in the car he shot at. Jury is going to have a tough job to sort out the truth here.
But tell me: who hasn’t been harassed by loud music from other inconsiderate drivers? Sometimes at 3 or 4 in the morning. What hasn’t wished someone would stop that craziness? Of course, taking potshots is a bit off the deep end.
I think Michael Dunn is going to have a lot of credibility issues. He claims he saw a gun, that it was either a barrel or a stick. Yet he also claims he is a gun expert, so wouldn’t he know the difference.
And yes, the statements he gave to the newspaper are going to be used against him. Very unwise to give statements without a lawyer.
This photo was taken at last year’s kids’ party. Santa is my nephew and the elves are two of my nieces. The clown was a hired professional animal-balloon maker. She was fantastic!
Last year’s party was held in our company’s office, but this year we are going to a kid’s playland. I hope the kids love it as much as I think they will.
What are you guys doing to get ready for Christmas? Is anyone doing charity work to help make other’s lives a little easier?
In Ontario, we get the day after Christmas off, known as “Boxing Day” so this holiday is a 4 day event for us (much like the American’s Thanksgiving). Is Christmas a big deal with it being so close to your Thanksgiving? It sure is a big deal here. I’m finding people around me in real life are kinder and gentler at this time of year. I love love love Christmas!
I love helping out at our Pre K. This year my lil 4 yr old is there, but I love it every year. I love the innocence of children! There are a lot there that the families don’t have much. Its not the babies fault. I ALWAYS go to Michaels and walmart and other stores after Christmas and get lots of stuff for the next year. I bag it up and put upstairs in a spare closet. Its as much fun for me getting it out and taking to the school for the kiddos as it is for the teachers and kids using. Monday I am going to spend the day and when the teachers have their Faculty Party, and kids nap (in my gson class) this lil Elf MIMI has a big surprise hee hee. Love fall/winter. My bday and my 2 dtrs and now my granddaughter, birthdays are Jan/Feb. I have always tried to make special because our weather is not very predicitable. I love Snowmen/women. Since you can have them longer than some Christmas decorations. I love sentimental things.
yes, nettles. it is the biggest deal of the year–the MOST wonderful time of the year (at least for kids).
That Boxing Day thing doesn’t sound too good. After too much egg nog and football, why not a little boxing? There probably is way too much DV around the holidays, because it is very stressful. It has become over-commercialized here and the starting date keeps getting extended. They have already had Christmas in July sales, and I fully expect Christmas to eventually get started right after Independence Day!
Boxing Day is observed in England as well. It’s the day we take our presents back to the store, all boxed up for returns. 🙂
yeah, i was being facetious. LOL
I knew you were. I guess that didn’t come across. 🙂
This photo was taken on December 2nd. I am in the center. My friends and family went to the local soup kitchen and food bank, Knights Table, and packed holiday hampers for families in need. This is a tradition for us. We call our group “The Nuts”. It came from the slogan “Family is like fudge, mostly sweet with a few nuts.”
My nieces and nephews sure appreciate the opportunities they have. Whenever I get down, I go to the foodbank to help others. A weird thing happens, I end up leaving better. In helping others, I’ve helped myself.
what a wonderful family, you are so lucky!
I know it. I am very lucky.
Annette you have a wonderful looking family. God bless all of you! As for lucky, I would say you make your own luck, you guys have done a wonderful job to make it so.
Thanks Boricuafudd! ♥ BTW, that’s my wonderful Mom in the bright colored coat.
I thought that smile looked familiar!!! LOL!
I used to volunteer weekly at a local food pantry. Now I watch my grandchildren more often so I don’t get to spend as much time there as often. But like you say, it just brings this lil special twinkle in your body. God reminding us, someone, somewhere is having a worse time then us. Hugs and cant wait to hear all about the parties!
Fabulous photo of your good looking family.
My Birthday is next Wednesday, don’t forget! 🙂
Nutcase nancy Disgrace and the Ouija board incident last night
New thread
IMHO Michael Dunn is going to have a tough row to hoe. His biggest mistake was not turning himself in, thinking perhaps he was going to get away with it. I think it indicates a guilty mind, and it can of course be used as evidence against him.
After a quick perusal of this case, I think his best bet is to reach a plea agreement with the prosecutors. I think we is wasting lots of his parent’s money on attorneys.
I doubt he will get the death penalty, but he should claim mental anguish. And perhaps being a little drunk, so he could plead to involuntary MS. If he continues to try to win this case with a jury, anything is possible in Floriduh. But his poor parents are losing their life savings, all over a stupid incident about loud music.
It should be a lesson for us all.
JMO….but the fact that the Davis family is frantically trying to complete the civil suit before the criminal trial begins tells me the evidence against Dunn may not be as strong as the MSM would have us believe
stevie ~ I haven’t kept up on the case you are discussing but wanted to point out a couple of interesting things In Civil Suit.
When a Civil Suit is filed by a family BEFORE a criminal case has concluded, the Family has ALL the BURDEN to prove their case to a JURY. LE/Prosecutors DON’T share their evidence w/families seeking a Judgement for monetary awards IF the evidence is not known to the public, they will not jeopardize their case for anyone..(this just happened in another case I follow, Kyron Horman, Prosecutors ask his mother to drop the Civil case UNTIL after the Criminal Case.) IF the evidence is in the public domain, the family can use it BUT it is a HUGE burden for a family/attorney to try their case before a Jury/Judge & convince them they should win a Judgement against whom they are suing.
When a Civil Suit is filed by a family AFTER a criminal case has concluded, the Family CAN USE ALL of the evidence the State used in trying to prove their case to convict, that makes the Civil Suits cheaper to try & ALL the evidence is known. EVEN IF the State fails to convict, many times a Victim’s family can still be successful in winning a Judgement in their Civil Case. (note: Fred/Kim Goldman got a 30 million dollar PLUS Judgement in a Civil Suit despite OJ being found NOT GUILTY)
I was surprised about Tracy/Sybrina/Crump/Natty Jack RUSHING to settle the Civil Suit against HOA! When someone is hurt or injured on your property, you can be sued for damages & be held liable, in the HOA settlement, it was commercial property, PLUS the argument that GZ was the “neighborhood watch guy” that represented their community didn’t weigh in their favor, so I think they ALL wanted that settled hastily. I just have to wonder what would have happened IF the HOA had WAITED to settle that case UNTIL after GZ was found “NOT GUILTY.” jmho, I wonder if they would have paid substantially less? I think they would have paid regardless, BUT, imo, GZ was not a lunatic that murdered TM as probably T/S/Crump tried to convince the HOA. (was it after the HOA settlement that ALL the damaging photos/thuggish pictures/gang info came out?)
Art-
One caveat to what you said and might explain why the Martin’s tried and successfully settled before the trial. Many jurisdictions bare judgements in case of a injury or death in the commission of a crime. TM was assaulting GZ, a good argument could be made for that which would have negated any judgement.
I have not done the research but I seem to remember Florida being one of those jurisdictions which bar civil judgements for damages incurred while committing or in the act of a crime.
boricufudd ~ What are your thoughts on this:
The NBC suit seems to be dragging because we are ALL curious as to what’s up. GZ now has no money, Sybrina & Tracy have UNTIL Feb. 26, 2014 to file their “wrongful death suit/Civil Suit” against GZ, that would be 2 yrs.
I have to wonder if MOM/Beasley DON’T won’t the case to settle before then BECAUSE if it settled, the grifters would see $$$$ signs & would possibly move forward. If the date passes for their Civil Suit, GZ would owe them nothing.
IF they moved forward w/their Civil Suit, & GZ were awarded anything in the future from NBC, monies that GZ got, they would get a piece ofi if they won in the Civil Suit.. Many think the grifters civil suit would fail, BUT GZ would incur MORE high legal fees to defend himself in that suit & it wouldn’t be MOM representing him. I am confident MOM could win, but not anyone else. GZ could get the case dismissed through filing bankruptcy if the gritters won ONLY if the NBC hadn’t settled. BUT GZ would then be dismissing legal fees owed to MOM/West through a bankruptcy too. The problem is this: the grifters law suit too would take a long time, ALL Civil suits do! Which would come to conclusion first, the NBC settlement or the potential Judgement of the grifters?
KC filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying those she owes in Civil Suits & debts, the State in which she owed $ 260,000.00 was dismissed, Baez’s attorney fees were dismissed which was $ 500,000.00 as well as other bills KC had accumulated. Those w/Civil Suits are fighting her, KC agreed to pay Texas Equsearch $ 75,000.00 from any future earnings. Zanny the Nanny is fighting to have her Civil Suit NOT dismissed through the bankruptsy but it remains to be seen if it is dismissed r not, WHY? Because KC is such a POS, she doesn’t plan to ever be responsible for any of the hardships she heaved on those that are suing her, she wants ANY monies all for herself.
IJudgements in Fla. Civil Suits can be dismissed through bankruptcy! I personally think that sucks, but I don’t live in Fla. KC continues has endless PRO BONO Attorney’s willing to fight her battles dismissing ALL her debts through bankruptcy, imo, it just isn’t fair.
It could just be that NBC doesn’t gain anything by settling early. Simplistically put: Why not keep the money in their bank for as long as possible, and gain interest, instead of giving it away? Lawyers on retainer will delay, play at negotiations, and if it finally comes down to a trial, settle. Doesn’t cost a dime for NBC to delay a settlement as long as possible. It’s actually to their advantage. IMO.
I saw some correspondence from a family member of George’s that said the NBC suit “was moving along slowly”
Even if O’mara is unsuccessful with sanctions at least they will put the spotlight, if only briefly, back on the unethical prosecution team and their attempts to conceal the contents of trayvon’s phone.
I’m taking solace in the notion that Crump is foaming at the mouth with the knowledge that George is getting ALL his guns back. Makes crump look stupid,imo. Also bet that crump was mulling over the wrongful death suit. Jose Baez recently, before charges were dropped, told Geraldo (radio) that zimmerman’s DV trouble could affect a judges immunity decision. Not that I value Baez’ opinion but you better believe Crump is itching to pull the trigger on a civil suit. I dont think he cares about airing trayon’s dirty laundry if he could get a piece of GZ’s NBC $.
Art-
Technically speaking you be correct in that February would run out the clock for any civil suits. Some States allow the plaintiff to file from the point at which they knew or found out a wrongful death occurred. Which could be interpreted as when the prosecution actually filed charges. In this case in April.
Some jurisdictions have expanded the definition even more so that a judge could interpret the date of the settlement with the HOA as the start time for any wrongful death suit, since a settlement can be viewed an admission of responsibility.
Let’s put that aside for the moment, Florida does offer immunity so if the Martin’s do sue, they will be liable for attorney’s fees if the judge agrees. An acquittal, certainly goes a long way towards meeting the burden for GZ that he did not act in a libelous manner.
Let’s put that aside for a moment, Florida law protects assets that were GZ able to collect on a settlement will allow him to shield any settlement from the Martin family. It is one of the reasons that OJ moved to Florida.
GZ declaring bankruptcy now will not protect him from a future judgement, if the Martin’s do sue and win. Getting back to the suit against NBC, it is my belief that it is still in the early stages and most likely it is in mediation with both sides trying to arrive at a settlement. Arbitration and or mediation are usually tried first before a Judge would get involved.
In other words even if the family sues and wins, and then GZ is able to win or settle his own lawsuit the payout can be structured in a manner that the Martin’s would not get a cent.
Phillips is full of crap and just last month filed a settlement proposal in a civil suit against dunn
Case 16-2013-CA-001133-XXXX-MA
Department Circuit Civil Division CV-B
Case Status OPEN File Date 1/31/2013
Judge Name COLE, KAREN K.
Parties
Name / DOB / DL / ID # Party Type
Race / Sex Address
DAVIS RON PLAINTIFF
/
,
DUNN MICHAEL DEFENDANT
/
,
Mcbath Lucia PLAINTIFF
/
,
Attorneys
Name Address Type
Phillips, John Michael [redacted]
Jacksonville, FL 322104424 Private Attorney
36 — 11/14/2013
11/14/2013
NOTICE OF SERVING PROPOSAL FOR SETTLEMENT TO DEFENDANT
37 — 12/5/2013
12/5/2013
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Happy Holidays to All.
Merry Christmas to you too Jordan, I am dealing with my own medical issues, I hope you are doing better with yours.
Hello, bori. I am doing my best to get a grip on current events. I am stunned to see what has happened to George.
Oops, just read what you said about medical issues. Are you OK?
Jordan
I had an old back injury that resulted on some herniated disks. For the last few months my lower back had been getting progressively worse. I attributed it to the old injury. A x-ray showed the herniated disks so I was treating my back with physical therapy, muscle relaxants and pain killers, the usual therapy.
Problem was that I was getting worse. To the point that I could not walk or stand for more than a few minutes and eventually even sitting down caused pain.
Finally a MRI was done and they found that I have a spinal tumor which was causing swelling and pressure against the nerves in the spinal cord. I have gotten some injections recently that have lowered the swelling, relieving the pressure.
As a result I have regain some mobility but I still need treatment for the tumor. To make matters worse the doctor that was treating me will not longer be part of the network for our insurance plan, so now I had to find a different doctor that will cover me next year.
I still don’t know how things will proceed, surgery, chemotherapy or radiation treatments.
Oh, Man..I am so sorry to hear about the tumor and will pray for you, bori.
I cannot stand or walk either for more than 20 steps…..It is diagnosed as advanced arthritis in my lower spine plus now I have cardiovascular issues in my legs and hips. Hopefully a couple of stents will solve it, but no guarantees of that. I have had 5 injections in my lower back to no avail but have found a VA surgeon who has committed herself to solving my back issue so I can walk again.
I also have Medicare Part B and will have to make my third change in Primary Care physicians on January 1st, thanks to Obamacare but I am going to start looking for other pain doctors and surgeons who can help me. I am determined to run again.
One question; Is the tumor benign?
I don’t know yet, but both doctors have told me that they usually are. The danger is now that I will have permanent nerve damage causing paralysis.
I haven’t run much since I was much younger but I would like to finish 18 holes again.
Living in pain is no fun. Get well, my friend.
MERRY CHRISTMAS JORDAN!!! SENDING HUGS AND WISHES FOR BETTER HEALTH AND ABUNDENCE OF HAPPINESS FOR YOU AND WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS!
That is so nice of you remember us, mimi. I wish you and yours the best holiday season ever.
Oh guess what. I get notifications from that fancy steak house now lol NICE 🙂
Really? I did not know they send out emails. Bern’s, correct?
Bern’s yes, but not emails 🙂 First one I got thought of you
What did they send?
They are on twitter & fb . What I ment. Just lil adv and stuff about their restaurant. Looks as amazing as you said
kNOw Truth, kNOw Justice 
Following.
Only 2 days to screw up the previous thread so bad it needed replacing.
We’re getting dangerous.
: – )
Some times the threads really come unraveled… then they look just like dust bunnies 😉
And just when we thought it was over, it wasn’t… This dust bunny is gonna require a VERY large vacuum cleaner 😦 it’s still growing.
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
Danny, do you think the SA should have continued with the case against GZ? If so, why? Are you upset that they didn’t? Do you think it was the wrong decision?
Danny-
“I made no such claim! There is no reading between the lines with me. This is why it is important that I write a post on it. There is a context and you certainly are taking everything out of context.”
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!
No one is taking things out of context, only from the context you have given them.
Let me explain thoroughly. We were discussing many different topics. One of those topics included the women in GZs life.I was attempting to get to the point of how these relationships have affected GZ’s view on women and relationships in a whole. But I kept getting interrupted, so I just gave up and said it would be posted on my blog. But since this non issue which has become an issue I will again attempt to post the point.
I pointed to the FBI interviews- specifically from the cousin, Veronica’s and Osterman’s. In Osterman’s interview he says that GZ told him Glayds was strict and his father did nothing when he was being abused.
Veronica stated that GZ was driven like most in his family. She said the family often spoke of financial status and material things, and how Gladys Zimmerman often spoke about marrying into white families to gain status(notice the entirety of the entire context here?) .
Initially, during the trial we found that Witness 9 accused GZ of molesting her when they were children. Putting aside whether or not, children about the same age can technically molest each other, because that is not the point of my bringing this up. She detailed five specific instances where she claimed Zimmerman touched her inappropriately throughout the years. She also stated Zimmerman touched other girls inappropriately. She made these statements prior to any debates about scorned women who are making false abuse claims. Witness 9 also stated that at family gatherings the family would often discuss marrying into white families to gain status the same as Veronica did.
In one of her statements in March 2012 she says “He was very intimidating, and the fact that he made everyone love him and made everyone laugh and be so happy around him, I knew if I said anything he would just deny it,” she said. She says she came forward now because, “For the first time in my life, I’m not afraid of him.”
Both Veronica and the cousin have stated as well as other sources that GZ was close to his Grandmother and Mother. Two women who appear to have influence over not only him but everyone in the family. Now, being that he was close to these women he certainly would want to please them. It was GZ’s ability and lessons in how to manipulate & intimidate at such a young age that begins the emerging pattern. The pattern of everything he seeks from women, to careers, to community standing which may not be his own choices but the expectations of his family,
The reason why I said Gladys would be happy that SS is white is because she has no financial status and material things…. well, yet. So at least GZ chose one out of the three in SS that he was taught to go after.
Motion hearing today in Florida v Michael Dunn
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ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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STATUS HEARING 02/19/2013 9:00 AM – 408 4TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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JUDGE BASS, SUZANNE
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ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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DEFENDANT PRESENT
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PRETRIAL 03/19/2013 9:00 AM – 408 4TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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AND HOM: MOTION TO SET BOND AND CONDITIONS OF PRE-TRIAL RELEASE AND MOTION TO DETERMINE CONFIDENTIALITY OF COURT RECORDS…
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AGREED ORDER GRANTING FOR SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM WITH ATTACHED SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM AND/OR DEPOSITION
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ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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DEFENDANT PRESENT
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HEARING/ARGUMENTS ON DEFTS. MOT. TO DET. CONFIDENTIALITY & MOT. FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER HELD IN FULL & U/A – ORDER TO BE ENTERED
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MOTION TO COMPEL PRODUCTION – WITHDRAW
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MOTION TO SET BOND AND CONDITIONS OF PRE-TRIAL RELEASE – HELD IN FULL & TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT
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STATE’S MOTION TO DENY BAIL – HELD IN FULL & TAKEN UNDER ADVISEMENT
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** WAIVER OF SPEEDY TRIAL **
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CLERKS MEMO OF TRIAL
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STATES MOTION TO DENY BAIL
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ORDER DENYING DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO SET BOND
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INDIGENT FOR COSTS AFFIDAVIT OF ATTORNEY FEES
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ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT
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TRANSFER TO DIV. CR-D (CIRCUIT)
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CANCELLED PRETRIAL ON 6/4/2013 9:00:00 AM
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> CANCEL REASON – PER ORDER
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PRETRIAL 06/04/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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CANCELLED FINAL PRE-TRIAL ON 9/19/2013 9:00:00 AM
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> CANCEL REASON – PER ORDER
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FINAL PRETRIAL 09/19/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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9/23/13 J/S
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CASE FEES PAID: $9.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110
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RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110 REVISED
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CASE FEES PAID: $9.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844110
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CASE FEES PAID: $5.00 ON RECEIPT NUMBER 1844364
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JUDGE COOPER, MALLORY
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ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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PRETRIAL 07/08/2013 9:00 AM – 605 6TH FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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6/4/2013
9/19/13 FPT; 9/23/13 JS
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION
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6/24/2013
MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
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7/1/2013
ORDER OF RECUSAL
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7/1/2013
ORDER OF REASSIGNMENT- TO JUDGE HEALEY
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7/2/2013
CANCELLED PRETRIAL ON 7/8/2013 9:00:00 AM
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> CANCEL REASON – PER JA EMAIL
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PRETRIAL 07/16/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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AND MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION TO BE HEARD @ 1:30PM
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7/15/2013
NOTICE OF DEFENDANT’S REQUEST TO TAKE JUDICIAL NOTICE
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8/6/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL
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7/16/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
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7/16/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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HEARING(S) HELD IN REGARD TO DEFT.’S MOT. TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION
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> & MOT. FOR RECONSIDERATION FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS
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> MOT.(S) DENIED; ORDERS ENTERED
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PRETRIAL 08/15/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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@ 9:00 AM TIME CERTAIN; TO BE HEARD BY JUDGE HEALEY; 9/19 FPT & 9/23 JS
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER FOR DETERMINATION OF INDIGENCE AS TO COSTS-DENIED – ORDER ENTERED
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MOTION TO RECONSIDER ORDER FOR PRETRIAL DETENTION-DENIED-ORDER ENTERED
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WITNESS SUBPOENA(S) DUCES TECUM ISSUED DEFENSE
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ORDER GOVERNING PRE-TRIAL AND TRIAL PROCEDURES- STANDING
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ORDER EXTENDING COURT’S ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO DETERMINE CONFIDENTIALITY OF COURT RECORDS AND MOTION FOR PROTECTIVE ORDER
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MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE – AGREED
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8/15/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
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8/15/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. COREY, ANGELA B
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ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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8/15/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
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8/15/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: ASAS: J. GUY & E. WOLFSON
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8/15/2013
MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE (DEFT’S WRITTEN) – GRANTED WITHOUT OBJECTION ORALLY BY COURT – STRIKE 9/19 FPT & 9/23 JS
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8/15/2013
CANCELLED FINAL PRETRIAL ON 9/19/2013 9:00:00 AM
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8/15/2013
> CANCEL REASON – FPT & JS CONTINUED
155 — 8/15/2013
8/15/2013
PRETRIAL 09/19/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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8/15/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
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8/15/2013
PRETRIAL 10/24/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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8/15/2013
BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
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9/20/2013
RESPONSE TO DEMAND & DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY
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9/20/2013
> FIRST SUPPLEMENTAL
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9/20/2013
RESPONSE TO DEMAND & DEMAND FOR RECIPROCAL DISCOVERY
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9/20/2013
> SECOND SUPPLEMENTAL
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9/19/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
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9/19/2013
STATE ATTORNEY ANGELA COREY, PRESENT
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9/19/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. GUY, JOHN INGLE
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9/19/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
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9/19/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT IN JAIL
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9/19/2013
PRETRIAL 10/09/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
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9/19/2013
CTRM CERTAIN – BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY
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9/30/2013
DEFENDANTS WITNESS LIST
171 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
172 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. GUY, JOHN INGLE
173 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
174 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
175 — 10/9/2013
10/9/2013
OTHERS PRESENT: A. COREY, STATE ATTORNEY, E. WOLFSON, ASST. STATE ATTY.
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10/9/2013
COURT DATE PREVIOUSLY SET 10/24/13 FOR PT IN CT.RM. 303
177 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ORDER TO TRANSPORT STATES WITNESS
178 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
JUDGE HEALEY, RUSSELL L.
179 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ASST. STATE ATTY. WOLFSON, ERIN J
180 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
ATTY. FOR DEF. STROLLA, CORY C
181 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
DEFENDANT PRESENT
182 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
PRETRIAL 11/07/2013 9:00 AM – 303 3RD FLOOR, 501 W ADAMS ST JACKSONVILLE FL 32202
183 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
CT.RM. CERTAIN; BEFORE JUDGE HEALEY @ 9AM
184 — 10/24/2013
10/24/2013
TEMPORARY SU SPONTE RESTRICTIVE ORDER REGARDING PRETRIAL DISCOVERY MATERIAL
185 — 10/28/2013
10/29/2013
RECEIPT FOR CIVIL PROCESS, JAIL, WARRANTS
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Hey David. Welcome back.
interesting case. It amazes me how many court records are filed in a criminal case like this. Can anyone give us a synopsis of this case? Is there a private attorney? It just seems unlikely that a PD would do all this work. They are way overloaded, intentionally of course.
Traybot and HLN talking head John W Phillips is private counsel for the family of the deceased
Civil wrongful death suit filed by Jordan Davis’s family. The family of Jordan Davis is trying to push to have this settled before criminal trial even begins.
Case 16-2013-CA-001133-XXXX-MA
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boricuafudd ~ you stated: “GZ is partly responsible as is paying the price for his actions, unless you call getting arrested again not paying he price.”
bori ~ GZ had a window of opportunity to leave, HE CHOSE NOT to. I consider GZ getting arrested a consequence for being so damn OBSTINATE & a consequence of his OWN actions which GZ is solely responsible!
I believe GZ was ASKED to leave not ONCE, but TWICE, I believe SS ask GZ to leave BECAUSE by GZ’s OWN statement they had discussed that morning that he was going to leave the premises BUT GZ CHOSE not to leave the premises & return when cooler heads prevailed. LE escorts individuals ALL the time to retrieve belongings in a volatile situation, they too would have escorted GZ. This was not a 15 minute argument but had been ongoing. The discussion was not subsiding, but escalating. Could GZ have left? WHAT can anyone do BUT ask someone to leave when an argument is not resolving but escalating, I would have done the same. There is NO EXCUSE for GZ’s decisions.
OF COURSE GZ could NOT have LEFT AFTER the 911 call was placed & it’s SAD GZ CHOSE NOT to leave but stay & argue in which he did. If an ass hole had me locked out of my home by blocking the door & I could not enter w/my house w/the key, I TOO would have called 911 on him faster than he could blink.. LE couldn’t get in w/the key so how could SS, the door was blocked, GZ didn’t want SS in that house, NOR did he want LE in the house banging w/the door blocked. MORE decisions GZ solely made.
For you to speculate if GZ could have “diffused the situation or caused it to escalate,” IS NOT the PROBLEM GZ caused himself & I am really surprised at your statement! For you to use your analogy w/GZ as forming thoughts on your marriage is inappropriate! WHY? This is a 4 month relationship, not a marriage NOR a long term marriage, not even a marriage of 6 yrs. that GZ had w/SZ..
I stated BEFORE this would happen when I stated after the SZ incident, this SAME behavior would happen AGAIN if GZ didn’t USE better JUDGMENT & REMOVE himself from ANY potential altercation! It wasn’t popular then w/those that made excuses for GZ behavior! GZ could have CHOSEN to NEVER stop at SZ’s house that day. Does anyone think anything ANYTHING positive was going to happen when GZ made a decision to stopbut yet MANY mande endless excuses fo GZ stopping, WHEN CLEARLY better choices could have been made! POOR JUDGEMENT ruled the day! When GZ KNEW there would be problems when he got out of the truck but CHOSE TO ANYWAY, problems arose & escalated! My opinion BASED ON FACTS & not emotion were the same w/that incident as they are in this incident. OPINIONS or speculation aren’t facts. I use the FACTS, what BETTER JUDGEMENT could ANYONE have used to PREVENT FURTHER altercations of this nature OHER THAN looking at previous POOR Judgement displayed in a previous altercation. It wasn’t popular then nor now for those that REFUSE to see CHOICES GZ clearly had & the excuses they continue to make for his behavior & will always make. Is GZ perfect or is anyone else? no , why make excuses for bad Judgement? Does GZ learn anything FROM past altercations, BOTH altercations included, imo, NO!
JUST AS I STATED this would happen AGAIN, IT DID!! How many months since the last altercation? How many more months UNTIL the next altercation making news. UNTIL GZ learns to remove himself from altercations INSTEAD of hanging around to argue, it will happen over & over. The same supporters that make excuses for GZ’s sole poor Judgement, will continue to make excuses for his poor Judgement then.
I STATE AGAIN: Unless GZ changes GZ & gets some type of professional HELP on how to AVOID situations that put himself at RISK in future altercations since he doesn’t seem capable of learning anything from past experiences, this SAME behavior will be repeated over/ over & over! How long UNTIL the next time altercation? Judging GZ’s future behaviors by HIS PAST behavior, you need ONLY wonder how long it will be. Some that support GZ’s poor Judgement when better Judgement could have been used, will continue to do so. A lot of GZ supporters no longer defend him due to drama, some do on blogs, but MOST no long bother.
I supported GZ in the Criminal Trial & I want nothing but good things for GZ’s future. I hold GZ RESPONSIBLE for his poor choices to AVOID conflict. Others can continue to make excuses. I hope GZ’s own potential poor judgement doesn’t lead to jail time or worse.
We DON’T even know if there was a gun pointed at SS though some choose to believe there never was. We know GZ says he didn’t, BUT was it, we don’t know? DID SS LIE then or now SO GZ could get out of trouble, so GZ could get his guns back as SS didn’t realize that would be one of GZ’s consequences? She sounded angry & mad to me imo. BECAUSE SS RECANTED does not make GZ innocent imo, It just gives GZ a get out of free card. I think GZ was dishonest about some things, GZ doesn’t get a free pass from me BECAUSE he gets to go back to his “girlfriend” because she recanted.
Art –
Your exposition makes a lot of sense.
Especially the point that you rely on facts.
The big question is – what are all the facts? Do we know enough of the salient facts? Are there facts that we are not aware of that bear on this matter? These unknowns allow for a variety of interpretations.
For my part, I do believe that GZ could have acted more judiciously. But that does not put him necessarily in the “wrong” column. I don’t believe that I know enough of what is going on in the background to properly assess matters beyond the range of reasonable speculation.
So in relying “on the facts”, I think that we must be continuously mindful that we may not have access to “all” facts necessary.
“There is NO EXCUSE for GZ’s decisions.”
Not that anyone even needs an excuse for not wanting and/or even refusing to leave their own home…
…but where exactly is he supposed to go on a moment’s notice? Disneyland?
Have you considered for even a second the very unique circumstances George is in… most hated man in America, bounty on his head, millions out there who would love to earn the bragging rights as the person who ‘got’ George Zimmerman, has to wear disguises in public for his own personal safety.
And the whole ‘if he’d a just got in his car and left’ is in the exact same vein as the ‘if he’d a just stayed in his car’ logic from the Trayvon crowd… and it’s coming from the same well of personal bias. Trayvon was a minority so let’s automatically blame the cracker / Scheibe is a woman so let’s automatically blame the man.
The man can’t win for losing and he can’t even wipe his #@! without it making headlines and armchair voyeurs deciding he should have wiped front to back and not back to front.
right on.
as if making mistakes ain’t the most natural human quality, we need people to condemn not just judge a person for any error.
what happened to the adage, we learn more from our mistakes than our successes.
none of the mistakes GZ has made amount to a crime or the need to punish him or condemn him as a stupid fool, he is just another human being HOWEVER he is under more scrutiny and harassment than any single person in America.
As I asked coreshift yesterday. (He did not answer) Had GZ just popped on the screen after the Scheibe incident with all of this background would you still feel the same?
again danny…all of WHAT background…there is ZERO background that Zimmerman has been proven guilty of yet you obsessively drone on and on about it
I am not talking legally. I am not attempting to PROVE anything. Simply compiling an observation . And David Truth is not Majority rules. 51% of a group CAN be wrong.
Danny you continue to argue that George is gulty of bad acts in the absence of evidence that George is guilty of said bad acts and you seem to be committing the fallacy of argument from ignorance
On one hand you will defend his bad acts and then on the other hand you say he committed no bad acts.
But I am being fallacious?
What bad acts? Defending himself from a thug? Speeding? Touring a gun factory (I’d actually like to do that someday). Leaving a house he was living at the very same day he was asked to leave? The only thing I can see that GZ did that might be a ‘bad act’ was breaking the iPad. And reportedly that was after he was ‘bonked’ on the head with it (several times) by Shellie.
I was already through this with you when he got arrested this past time.
Let’s discuss Veronica.
Here is her statement to the FBI. Please stick to the facts. https://annettekblog.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/gz-ex-veronica-statement-to-fbi.pdf
And here’s an OCR’d version of the FBI reports.
Click to access FBI-reports%20OCR.pdf
March 30, 2012 GZ’s ex fiancé was interviewed by the FBI. GZ met Veronica sometime in 2001. They dated and became engaged sometime in 2002 or 2003. Soon after the engagement she claims GZ changed. He became more territorial and possessive of her, telling her amongst other things how to dress. The relationship began to deteriorate when the moved into together. She asked they go to pre-marital counseling and he agreed.
She named three incidents in why she broke off the engagement. The last incident is when GZ came home late one night from playing basketball and went straight to bed. Unbeknownst to her this was the night he was arrested for battery on the DEA agent. She ended up answering a call from a female who was calling to see if GZ was alright. During the conversation she was told GZ was telling people he was no longer engaged and that he was representing himself as single on a dating website. After Veronica confirmed and then confronted GZ a pushing match ensued after GZ ‘s excuse was that he was afraid he was losing her and did not want to be alone . Her dog lunged at GZ and GZ kicked the dog in the stomach. She waited until he left for work in the morning, packed all her belongings minus her gifted jewelry and engagement ring and moved to her parents.
She states from there GZ called her frequently to apologize and to ask her on dates so they could reconcile. She agreed to the dates in hopes of reconciling. However she states she soon realized he was a good talker and very persuasive, he had not changed so she no longer was interest.
In 2005 Veronica moved to an Orlando townhouse. She was coming home between 9:30-10:30 pm and noticed GZ’s car leaving her complex. She called him to see why he was there. He said he wanted to come and talk to her about his grandmother. She agreed to let him come back and talk. It was getting late and she asked him to leave. He asked to stay and she refused. He then grabbed her cellphone and put it in his pocket and told her he was not leaving. She attempted to retrieved her phone from his pocket when her dog lunged and bit GZ on his face. She was able to retrieve her phone and called the police. He left before they arrived.
At the advice of police she filed an injunction the next morning. The day after GZ was served he filed his own injunction. Zimmerman made essentially the same claims she had but in reverse. Veronica’s FBI statements says that he claimed she accused him of being womanizer and scratched him in the face after he refused to stay the night with her. A mutual 1 yr. injunction was filed.
The ex couple had not had any contact for a few years when GZ began emailing Veronica in 2010. He requested they meet up and talk, which they did. They met a few times between 2010 and 2011. According to the FBI interview Shellie and GZ’s were legally separated in 2/2011 when GZ again contacted Veronica.
On other personal notes Veronica stated that GZ was driven like most in his family. She said the family often spoke of financial status and material things, and how Gladys Zimmerman often spoke about marrying into white families to gain status. Veronica said GZ had a bad temper during their relationship, but she believed the problem was the drug Accutane. She also said that during arguments he would get depressed and talk about killing himself. She believed it was for sympathy and attention.
Sure. But Nettles already covered what happened way back in 2005.There was no domestic violence. None.
We are not discussing legal jargon or legal terms. It is to develop a pattern of bad acts not criminal acts.
You’ve got a huge gap between 2005 and 2013. And George was married without incident for most of those years.
I said we were talking about Veronica. But….Shellie herself has hinted she was psychologically abused by GZ during their marriage during a Katie Couric interview. What we do know is that she was not home the night of the shooting because she had previously left the home after GZ publicly humiliated her about feeling ill when they were out. She has stated she became a shell of a person in her marriage. She has stated she has had low self esteem for some time.
And all the bashing you did of Shellie about doing interviews and talking about her marriage and GZ. She obviously did not reveal all of it. Because he was emailing Veronica in 2010 (seems he began to look for someone new when he felt he going to be alone. He did to Shellie what he did to Veronica) They were separated in 2011 when he began emailing Veronica again wanting to see her. That is when he discussed that he wanted children and his wife did not. Fast fwd to Feb 2012 and Shellie was not even home on the 26th. She left him. Of course we all know she stood by him and even perjured herself for him throughout the trial. He was traveling the country undetected until stopped by police in Texas, and they separated the second week of August 2013. So where do you get there is a HUGE gap. There is a gap but it is not huge. They married in November 2007. So from 2007-2009 no accounts. From 2010 till now there is. That is a two year HUGE gap.
You haven’t been in many relationships, have you? Everything you’ve been talking about is typical when a relationship sours. And keep in mind we haven’t heard George’s side of the story. This is just Veronica’s (biased) recollection.
We are going to stay on the facts not lack of experience or personal experience.
“This is just Veronica’s (biased) recollection.”
He filed an injunction too, so why not provide those details?
Huh? These are the FBI interviews, right? AFAIK he wasn’t interviewed by the FBI in the witch hunt to see if he was racist. Which is, of course, why the FBI did those interviews. Anyways, link me to GZ’s accounting of the events or admit that relying solely on Veronica’s accounting is relying on a biased accounting.
I thought Nettles went over this already here and the conclusion was what? You guys concluded that without his injunction?
Nettles summarized Veronica’s account of events. Do you think GZ’s account would be more favorable to Veronica?
No but you are defending him right? So defend him.
Defend him against what? Having a relationship that went bad?
core,
Follow the rules of the debate. Facts. You agreed to debate Veronica. Find GZ’s injunction against Veronica’s claims on 1. Why he was at her house in Orlando in 2005 2. What happened by his account when he was there 3. What he claimed in his injunction?
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You haven’t specified anything in Veronica’s account that’s atypical of a souring relationship and needs defending.
Just call it coreshift. You lost the debate.
Why was he in Orlando? You know exactly what I am saying. Just that question answer.
Huh? You haven’t argued anything yet. He was in Orlando to see Veronica, obviously.
Really?
Anyone? Can anyone tell me where GZ was living in 2005?
IHNI. What’s the relevance?
Core,
I really am expecting you and Nettles to be able to handle this. It is you two against me and you were all go. We have not even begun to touch this……
Facts. That is the rule. You can not quit now. And if you do call it.
It has to be somewhere in discovery in the GZ legal files because it was mentioned in court and used by prosecutors. Somewhere in the bond hearing? 2012 bond hearing(s) that is.
Excellent points, Coreshift. He is making bad decisions in who to trust. That can happen when someone’s spirit is broken. His spirit was not broken by Gladys but by the the media reporting that he had hunted down a child walking home from getting candy because he wasn’t use to seeing blacks in his gated community.
+1,000,000
Doncha think is a little weird that when GZ was on the phone with 911 he was being the calm cool collective caring BF. Telling all of us how he didn’t want to argue with her because she is pregnant. She didn’t want to raise the baby with him so he offered to co-parent and how he just wanted everyone to know the truth. Okay…. but….he pushed her out the door and locked it. His pregnant ( to his knowledge att) GF. But wait I am sure you will find an excuse.
Put any normal person’s entire life under a microscope for everyone to scrutinize, have the press and the DOJ and the FBI and the SAO put feelers out there to find any person anywhere (an ex, family member, a teacher, a coworker, anyone will do) who might have something anything negative to say about them…
…and you’d get the same results, probably worse.
Wouldn’t it be awesome if we could all log on and hear George Zimmerman’s opinion on how we live our lives? I think he would be kinder but he shouldn’t be.
God has a purpose for George. It’s yet to be revealed.
Nettles you have done the same thing to everyone except him. That is all this blog is about …..George Zimmerman and opinions.
Who should the blog be about, Santa Claus?
Look it is available and he makes it available. Just as everyone critical of Shellie said “het she did the interview”. He is no different. No different then when Shellie’s mom filed police reports. NO different when people doxxed witness. No different. So you see the double standard?
Because what I am hearing is the only reason you do defend his repeated actions is because he is under more scrutiny.
I agree Cassandra. I think GZ is making mistakes. He should not have gotten involved with that woman, especially not when he was still married. He is vulnerable. I’m not sure how many of us could go through 2 years of being the most hated person in America just for defending his life. Considering all the hate and death threats, you’d think he’d done something as bad as Hitler.
I do not see the similarity in ‘if he’d just got in his car and left’ and ‘if he’d a just stayed in his car’ other then both sentences have “car” in them. The car argument was a moral argument because he has already called 911. Where as getting in the car argument is to avoid calling 911.
Art-
You missed the point of my analogy. It was to say that I have had altercations in the past with my wife that had escalated to a point that it should not have to. But at the time we were young and we did not see it coming. In time we learned to not allow that to happen, as may GZ and SS if they stay together or whoever they have relationships with.
“We DON’T even know if there was a gun pointed at SS though some choose to believe there never was.”
As you say “We DON’T” know but YOU CHOOSE to believe that there was a GUN POINTED, some others need something more that just a feeling a belief. This is what drives the supporters of Kendrick Johnson to believe that no matter how implausible or improbable it may be that their son was beaten and stuck into rolled up wrestling mat.
As for the rest I think Hooson said it best, do you or any of us have all the salient facts to make a determination like this with this certitude.
bori ~ I understood clearly your analogy w/your wife.
DON’T ACCUSE me of believing GZ pointed a GUN at SS! I said ” I DON’T KNOW or NOT if GZ pointed a GUN at SS, I don’t know NOR do you r anyone else. You have no idea bori what happened w/the gun! I stated I didn’t believe everything GZ stated & I don’t, & SS is a proven she’s a liar. But what all has been LIED about & by whom? NO ONE KNOWS or will likely ever know UNTIL this whole mess blows up again & makes more media.
Did SS recant her original statement to get GZ out of jail? I DON’T KNOW NOR does any one else! Is she lying then or now? You DON’T know that answer NOR does anyone else, no one knows if what SS recanted is even true or NOT. We will likely never know.
One thing is for certain, HAD GZ removed himself from the property, there would be NO STORY, no discussion, no excuses, or 911 called, National News, etc. You want to argue the what “if’s,” because GZ CHOSE to stay. I have stated CLEARLY had GZ left, NO NEWS! You are picking the story up where GZ stayed by choice & there are no facts to prove what all has been lied about.
You want to DISREGARD the choices GZ had & the consequences that resulted in choosing to stay & argue, some MORE! imo, that’s a no brainer, if you aren’t in an ongoing situation in which JW said “escalated,” then you have no problems. It’s ONLY when you choose to stay, 911 is called, you have no choices left, TOO LATE!l You want to “speculate” what could have happened, but you don’t have facts to SUPPORT any theories. We don’t know.
Could it have been avoided? YES!
Art-
Please read what you have written, it is not I who is making conclusions but you. All based on second hand and third hand information. I was cautioning and relating how the interpretations that we give events can ultimately determine how we view them.
I am not speculating but calling for caution as we don’t have all the facts. You are not, please take a minute and re-read what I have said to you and Danny. I draw no conclusions and I will gladly admit that you and Danny could be right but you don’t take a similar vein. In your opinion your are clear as it is your right, in mines I rather have something more than speculation.
bori – The conclusion I have drawn is that GZ should have left that home & avoided further escalation which could have led to 911 being called & was, that is a FACT which I have stated repeatedly. It is NOT based on 2nd or 3rd hand information. IT’S COMMON SENSE! We know it was a BAD DECISION for GZ to stay because look at the results! GZ isn’t a winner nor is SS. Understand WHY MOM has distanced himself, I certainly get it, who needs the aggravation, NOT MOM. He’s done!
bori – I’m sure there is NO argument you could make that GZ made the right choice to hang around & continue arguing w/SS!
Anyone that doesn’t understand it was a bad idea for GZ to continue to stay & argue need only read about this whole trashy mess in which there are NO winners in ALL the MEDIA stories. This story is like some of the trashy reality shows on cable TV that people watch for entertainment & laugh at.. Sad imo GZ has chosen to get mixed up w/SS but that is solely another choice he made.
Art-
Do you realize that you are using two standards, one for GZ and a different one for SS?
You say that GZ that he should not have continued to argue with SS, and just leave. Well he was packing to leave as he was asked.
Could he have left before the altercation started and SS called the cops, of course. At the same time SS could have stopped arguing once she saw that GZ was leaving as she says she wanted.
That is what I am trying to say, you put the onus solely on GZ, but baring evidence to the contrary both appear equally responsible.
I personally agree with you Bori when it comes to the escalation of arguments to a specific level and how quickly inexperienced couples can go from 0-60 in seconds. I agree not all relationships are the same, nor do they deal with issues the same. I agree that it may have gotten so out of hand because the couple is very knew to each other. And I understand your point in not really knowing all the facts or the sources of those facts being unconfirmed.
Although Art and I agree 99% of the time I do not feel I am even part of this debate. I understand where she is going. I voiced that.
But she and I are not coming to the same conclusions. She is viewing this as a Shellie 2.0 & I am viewing this as a planned event.
Interesting!!
The possibility that they created the whole incident to be able to sell the interviews they had shopped around earlier to no success has occurred to me.
That just illustrates how little we know of the situation and of GZ, which is exactly I call for caution.
That is where I am heading. But before I do I need to show people he is capable of such manipulation and why.
My intent is in now way an attempt to say he did not act in self defense. I could totally refute anyone who ever claimed he ever acted in malice or forethought when he shot TM. He is solid with me there. Solid as a rock. This has NOTHING to do with that case. It is complex but it deals with sociology. It is the best way I can put it. I think it could help in the future. Help in all areas that we have discovered through this case.
There are certain things you can be confidant in because you have seen the pattern repeated. And it does not personally effect you it is easier to study. You are a political philosophical guy, I am sure you get the jest of the study of sociology. It would never be successful if there was not critical analysis. Sometimes you know enough, you do not always need to know it all. Refining the theoretical understanding of social processes does not require knowing it all.
So discussing these topics… which are debatable “facts” not all of them are debatable, but the point is finding what is acceptable.
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/the-grio/53812755/#53812755
George Zimmerman’s attorney Jayne Weintraub spoke exclusively with NBC ‘Today’ Show legal analyst Lisa Bloom about the domestic dispute her client was involved in last month. Weintraub said she believes the incident between Zimmerman and his girlfriend Samantha Scheibe was an ‘argument between two people that escalated.’ Weintraub would not comment on whether or not Schiebe and Zimmerman have continued their relationship.
Those who are siding with Samantha on certain issues continue to ignore that George was under no obligation to leave the residence in the absence of a properly serviced written 30 days notice or court eviction proceedings. After I believed 48 hours in the residence…and george had about 90 days….he was co-equal with samantha in his right to ouccpy the residence in the eyes of the law.
I AM NTM – It wasn’t whether GZ was obligated to leave, the point is, HAD GZ used better Judgement & left, there NEVER WOULD have been an incident to argue about or call 911 for!
I hope the love birds are happy, GZ is fully aware that SS/mother are grifters! I fear the “be careful what you wish for” will bite GZ in the butt.
Art I understand you postition. I can also make the rebuttal of HAD Samantha used better Judgement & left, there NEVER WOULD have been an incident to argue about or call 911 for! George had just as much right to be there as Samantha.
I ANTM – WHY would SS leave, the house is rented in Samantha’s name & doesn’t she have a child that lives there too w/the child’s belongings? It’s difficult to uproot children, no matter what age as they are usually in school & have schedules. Doesn’t SS have a job to go to? GZ doesn’t, he has no children, it just seems he could have accommodated SS.
GZ is the one that doesn’t need the bad press, GZ knows that anything he does is going to make National News & did. Nobody cares about SS, LOL!
Again Art I will repeat what you and Danny have already been told REPEATEDLY…..after 48 hours George and Samantha were co-equal in their right to occupy the residence. Neither s right superseded the others.
I will say this before I part and take my research elsewhere. This blog since October soon after Shellie filed for divorce has gone down the tubes. I remember when Scott posted here and it was not eye opening at the time,for me,but is completely true.
You DAVID are well known througout. Your mere association on a blog is bad for any ones reputation.
I have done some research on some posters here.
I see why some keep this association.
I will also offer up that we have yet to see any evidence that George wants anything at all to do with Samantha. All jayne did is what any good defense opportunity would do and that is exploit an opportunity for the chance against your client to be dismissed
So you are now saying JW ask for the “NO Contact Order for GZ to be lifted to see his girlfriend” was just a lie! So JW LIED to the Judge?
I don’t believe that for a minute. GZ has no long term place to go & probably might think at least he had sex staying at SS’s house! GZ hasn’t displayed good Judgement imo, I don’t expect him to use good Judgement & stay away from SS, I fully expect GZ to return to SS.
Maybe they’ll do a reality show!
The motion for modification of bond was nothing more than a “vehicle” to get samantha’s declaration before the court and force the prosecutors hand. pretty simple really.
That has been of my opinion too. Especially when reading exactly what the motion said and how it was written. JMO
nivco ~ this is the second time I have read “a second’s notice” in 2 days in threads BUT your information is INCORRECT! This was a discussion that day that had been ongoing, wasn’t resolved, & escalating. So your excuses for a “seconds notice” are that, just excuses.
I HAVE CONSIDERED the situation GZ is in & have seen it before! It’s ONLY new to those that haven’t followed KC’s case or OJ’s. I am saddened GZ hasn’t made BETTER decisions but GZ has done what he wanted. KC is still the most HATED woman in America, 85% of the American public thinks she has gotten away w/the murder of a 2 1/2 yr. old child! She too wears disguises & possibly will the rest of her life! KC continues to have DEATH threats YET she has lived under the radar & HAS NOT USED POOR Judgement in situations that have garnered ANY MEDIA attention that GZ has displayed! KC doesn’t want the MEDIA attention, she’s isn’t going to do ANYTHING to jeopardize her privacy, her home in which NO ONE knows the location but Baez/her parents, or the life she has created. Should KC USE POOR JUDGEMENT in a situation, she will again be in National News daily, she will again be stalked, & have to move. NOTE that it has been 2 1/2 years since KC’s NOT Guilty verdict!
Why would you give a rat’s ass where GZ went in ALL the time he had to leave Samantha’s house, it wasn’t a seconds notice as you had hoped in making excuses for GZ. GZ is 30 yrs. old, he doesn’t NEED, at least I hope to be instructed where to go WHEN he needs to remove himself FROM an ongoing argument that wasn’t resolved. GZ could have visited his parent’s, gotten take out food, washed his truck, rode over to Texas again, it’s NOT rocket science. WHO cares where GZ could have gone or what he did as long as he used good Judgement?
The LOGIC is & has NOTHING to do w/the TM crowd, ridiculous analogy:
IF GZ DOESN’T REMOVE HIMSELF FROM SITUATIONS that aren’t resolved & escalating & chooses to stay & argue more, HE WILL experience trouble EVERY SINGLE TIME as well as face the consequences. Most GZ supporters aren’t making excuses this time around in the blogs, very few are defending GZ. imo, GZ has not lost support for the Criminal Trial, but has lost the voice of many supporters that went to bat for him in the Criminal Case & choosing not to respond to the TM supporters . I support good things for GZ but recognize he is human, that his INABILITY to use better judgement has & WILL CONTINUE to cause him consequences that land him in National Media time & again.
nivco ~the man could WIN EVERY SINGLE TIME by showing better Judgement! KC has shown Fla. she doesn’t want to be in National News daily, GZ could learn from KC’s example. I guess KC must “get the bigger picture” that is lost on GZ.
I think George showed excellent judgement and went way above and beyond what he had to do. He was leaving that very day. You don’t seem to understand how accommodating to Samantha’s wishes that is. He was actually leaving his home on a moment’s notice. I doubt he even had time to arrange for a place to stay.
coreshift ~ It WASN’T a moments notice, WHY those making excuses for GZ continue to say that is BEYOND me! That had been an ongoing argument that day!
I disagree that GZ was accommodating, he certainly wasn’t accommodating to let LE in when they were banging on the door, he wasn’t accommodating when SS couldn’t even use her key to get in her home because of the junk in front of the door. HAD GZ been accommodating, he would have opened the door politely, LE was just doing their job & SS wanted back in her home. GZ did nothing accommodating!
WHO cares if GZ needed to make arrangements for somewhere to stay? Taaffe would have allowed GZ to stay w/him & possibly countless others. If GZ had left, cooled down, allowed SS to cool down, he could have possibly returned that evening & things worked out. WHO KNOWS!
How do you know how long they were arguing? And I consider asking someone to leave and insisting they move right then and there, to the point of actually tossing their stuff outside, a moment’s notice.
Gee, maybe he didn’t want to get shot. He almost did when Shellie called the police on him. Maybe he didn’t want to have another media event where he’s filmed being treated like a dangerous criminal. Helicopters and all.
Why do you think SS tried to use her key to get into her house?
The evidence of someone losing their cool points to Samantha. Kicking someone out w/o giving them any notice isn’t a rational act. Tossing their stuff outside isn’t a rational act. What did GZ do to deserve it? The only evidence of yelling and screaming going on came from Samantha. Not George.
Are you truly not understanding they were living together for months? You think he should have just left w/o taking any of his stuff? Not his clothes? Not his guns? Nothing? Not even his toothbrush? IMO, you’re being as irrational as Samantha was.
Art the point you keep missing is Samantha had zero authority to give ANY notice other than a properly serviced written 30 days notice
I AM NOT TM!
I TRULY get what you are saying. I really do! My statement is that GZ HAD A CHOICE to remove himself from the situation & he chose not to, he could have returned later. You state GZ had a legal right to stay. BUT! When SS claimed “GZ pointed a gun at her,” GZ was removed, hence the no contact order & if proven, that legal right you are speaking of would have been lost.
Are you understanding that had GZ LEFT, cooled down & given Samantha time to cool down, they could have possibly moved forward from that point in resolving their conflict? If the conflict couldn’t have been resolved, legal action could have been taken but since JW said GZ “wanted to see his girlfriend,” there would likely have never been any use for legal action.
We have NO WAY to know what all has been lied about by GZ or SS. SS is most certainly a grifter & has told more lies. We don’t know!
Art Samantha was OUTSIDE she had an even greater opportunity to leave and de-escalate the situation
Personally I think calling the cops is the epitome of escalation. All she had to do was let him pack his stuff and go. If she’d just left the house for a few hours he’d probably have been gone by the time she returned. No fuss.
coreshift ~ when a man r woman is being prevented from entering their home because a person inside the home is preventing them from entering, calling 911 is the right course of action & SS did just that. SS had her key BUT GZ had blocked her door s she couldn’t enter. I would have called 911 if an ass h. was preventing me from entering my home, the ass h. can act as obstinate/ immature as they want but ONLY UNTIL LE arrives, then, GAME OVER for the ass h.! LE will ALWAYS GAIN access/entrance into a person’s home every single time, there’s no need to plead or beg when someone is preventing you from entering your hoome, no need for that! LE will handle it & DID, then, SS entered her home!!
She called 911 while she was in the house. There is nothing to indicate she tried to re-enter the house. Listen to her 911 call again.
But then SS was PUSHED OUT & blocked from re-entering!
Why didn’t Samantha just let him pack up and leave as he was doing? She was getting what she wanted.
WHY would Samantha pack up & leave? The house was leased to SS, GZ was not bound by any lease. SS would be under lease for a period of time, most likely 6 months to a year. There is no information that states SS wanted to leave her home or was unhappy w/her home.
There is a lot of information that SS wanted to ENTER her home & was being prevented from doing so by GZ. If SS had gotten what she wanted, she would have gotten back in her home when she tried & couldn’t, GZ could have politely opened the door but that didn’t happen, LE opened the door!
Was she not inside when she called? Would she have remained inside if not pushed out? Are you saying she should have “gotten in the car” ?
Danny ~ it seems some can’t grasp that even though GZ had a right to be on the premises, GZ HAD NO LEGAL RIGHT to prevent/block SS from entering her home.
Can you write it in simpler terms than I did because I can’t find smaller words?
It will be on my blog. It is busy right now and there are diversions here but it will be on my blog.
I know Samantha was outside & that’s the reason she called 911, she didn’t OWE GZ any favors at that point, she wanted back in her home, he wouldn’t let her in, he blocked her from entering. There was absolutely NO reason for Samantha to leave her home, it was GZ that was going to be moving, not Samantha. Samantha lived on the property longer than GZ & the property was leased to Samantha. I know GZ had a right to be there, BUT, GZ didn’t have a right to PREVENT SS from entering her home!
At the point GZ had kept Samantha out, it was PAST the point of de-escalation, I too would have called 911.on GZ. NO ONE is going to keep me out of my home, ever! Not even GZ! Obviously SS wasn’t going to be kept out of her home either & wasn’t.
For the third time Art…what part of GZ and samantha were co-equal in their right to be there residing in the home are you and danny not grasping?
Danny & I GRASP that GZ had NO LEGAL RIGHT to prevent SS from entering her home, EVER! You DON’T GRASP this fact.
GZ’s had a right to be on the property but that DOES NOT GIVE GZ the LEGAL RIGHT to PREVENT SS from entering her home. GZ CHOSE TO PREVENT SS from entering her home, SS HAD the LEGAL RIGHT to enter the property, she couldn’t get in, she called 911! LE will resolve that bull chit every single time!
Did you GRASP that? I can’t break it down any simpler for you than that if you think GZ had any legal right to PREVENT SS from entering her home by blocking her entrance. Despite GZ’s efforts, LE gained access to the home & SS successfully entered!
Look genius how was GZ denying Samantha access to the home when Samantha handed the deputies a key and they entered? DERP…BTW nice straw-man argument ART
arttart – I believe this information we have about SS telling GZ to leave all day long is based on SS’s statement – isn’t that correct? Or has GZ’s statement been released and he corroborates this (I don’t know). Anyway, my point is, if it’s just SS saying this, then we don’t know for a fact what exactly happened that day. It could just be an embellishment on her part. Both parties would be seeking to present things in as positive a light as possible for themselves.
Hello
I genuinely appreciate your blog Ms. Annette.
Here is the best “open letter”
I’ve seen in a long time addressed
to the Grifter Twins. Personally I am thoroughly disgusted by their antics.
Peace xxx
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Fred and Crane:
THIS NEEDS TO BE THE TIME YOU
BOTH FACE REALITY. Everyone is hurting in this economy. The
Difference is WE WORK.
Allergic to the word WORK????
Get the fuck over your prideful arrogant selves. Whatever demons you have just fucking swallow your pride and GET A JOB.
Give the poor parrot away to someone more responsible.
You’ve become your own worst parody of grifting addict lowlifes.
At least most people have stopped using the DISINGENUOUS TERM “Professor”.
Get a cardboard sign and quit using people that already struggle with any decent comprehension skills. You’re out to wipe out your own mouth breathers !!
Welcome Self Defense. Why is everyone swearing lately? Where is the Christmas spirit?
I’m getting fed up with my own blog, now what? LOL
Oops I am so sorry I should have edited out the person’s bad
language ! Yikes. I didn’t realize it until later. My sincere apologies. I despise cursing myself but agree with the overall message in that letter to the Leathermans.
What most disturbs me is the emotional blackmail about their expensive bird. I can handle the L’s being in some discomfort but not the poor bird!!
Curious about anyone’s thoughts on the heightened begging activity on that blog.
Does WordPress condone this or is it purely a Freedom of Speech issue?
Thanks again for everything you do!
Were you here before? I recall a Self Defense avatar but wordpress told me you were new.
I can’t say too much about Fred and his wife. I’ve largely tuned them out when I realized he didn’t deal in facts. I feel sorry for those who donate to him. Fred is good at emotional stories. To be on the Trayvon side of that, emotions near the top of the skin are essential. It’s likely why he has been successful in appealing to his emotional readers.
Best of luck to him. No matter what, I hate to know anyone struggles financially. Getting a job would help him.
I agree!
Nettles, I can’t blame you for being fed up. “Someone” owes you an apology for their atrocious behavior, and I think “they” know it. I’m not sure why things have gone crazy here, but most of us really do appreciate your hard work and what you’ve done with this blog. So don’t let the temper tantrums get to you. You are appreciated and your opinions are valued. So don’t give up on us please!
Wow! Wonder if that comment is still posted at FLLB? Thanks for sharing.
That comment was actually posted in the lounge?
Again, loved hearing the nice comments about George. May God bless him wherever he is. keep him safe, and help him find happiness.
Thanks, Nettles. That made me feel a lot better – and you too, I hope.
troll2
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submit a deliberately provocative posting to an online message board with the aim of inciting an angry response.
Danny in response to Coreshift
“Also if you could, cite any accusations of domestic abuse prior to that Feb 2012 date. ”
I will be citing all of those on my blog. It is too long to put here.
Danny its just my personal opinion, but it seems you are taking advantage of Nettles generosity of saying she would ban no one. You are taking things out of context and presenting them as facts. You keep saying you are going to post this or that on your blog. That is your right, and I urge you to do so and those that wish to go there and read and converse are also free. It just appears your tone here is just trying to cause discourse and possibly push Nettles to ban you so you can use that against her. My unsolicited observation, that’s what I see. Hope I am wrong.
She provided the FBI link to discuss it and asked me to state facts. I am following the rules.
Considering how scrutinized George’s life has been, the fact so little was found that could even be spun as ‘bad’ is testimony to the fact he’s a better than average man.
If not waaaaay better.
You are a sick person.
You have no right to call anyone here sick. We all have a right to discuss our thoughts and opinions.
True. my bad.
ROFLMAO nancy disgrace just said the charges were not dropped for lack of evidence “Upon reviewing the recent affidavit of the Ms. Scheibe and taking into account the conflicting statements about what occurred, the failure to cooperate with the ongoing investigation, and a lack of any other corroborating evidence or witnesses, there is no reasonable likelihood of successful prosecution,” Archer said in a written statement.
I am forever amazed WHY NG reports inaccurate information WHEN she has a staff that does her research. How hard is it to use the Internet & access Fla. News?
I don’t have cable, so I guess I’m not missing anything that NG is trying to her audience is correct. . It’s so easy to read the news online, it’s not perfect but better than NG, except for the lack of humor when watching NG’s eyeballs roll back & stick.
ROFLMAO Nancy Discrace just flat out said Zimmerman gunned down a completely innocent helpless unarmed child
Sanford voted “City of the Year”
http://www.latimes.com/nation/shareitnow/la-sh-sanford-fla-where-trayvon-martin-was-shot-is-city-of-the-year-20131212,0,1111297.story#axzz2nJSGQqFW
ROFLMAO Taaffe just presented Nancy Grace with an Ouija board and told her maybe that would help her make more accurate predictions on the outcome of cases
Now that’s funny! 😉
She loves him. He is the ying to her yang.
Danny, if you’re trying to make a case that GZ has a history of bad relationships then I’d submit that three relationships that ended badly is not a history in my book. He has no more of a history than most everyone else. Hell, I had several before I turned 25.
I object that for the last 3 days you bury your responses to me like I can’t find them…… I eventually do. And even though you are popular on nitwit….. sorry titwit, no twitwit… twitter? …..and maybe fallonmyassbook …. I have been fortunate to stick to many more characters ….. if you get me.
just answer the question. and hit reply under dannywarrior.
LOL Obvious troll is obvious. Ok, Danny. I look forward to reading the brilliant and wordy posts on your blog.
I really hope viewers catch this real time…… because it is unbelievable…… You are calling Dannywarrior a troll?
I do not think you really want to talk about socks again do you? We can…. Just saying it would really make the season bright….
BTW interim my blog is reopened. Until I get Annette and Coreshift to honor their commitment of GZ’s ex fiancé Veronica the pattern post will be delayed…. but there is a new post on the love birds GZ and SS @ my blog.
SS got GZ arrested, and there is proof SS was shopping for stories, unlike SZ…. but since GZ is in LOVE with his crazy, not really pregnant GF who set him up…. nobody here says a thing because well….. eventually we will get to that maybe. I won’t hold my breath.
dannywarrior.wordpress.com
Danny pleae post any evidence of GZ being in love with SS or even wanting anything at all to do with SS. I already schooled you and Art on the fact that the motion to modify bond was nothing more than a convenient vehicle to get SS affidavit in front of the court and force the prosecutions hand.
you schooled me? really? I think we have to have prove that first …. who are you today? Just so I am sure. Because tomorrow you could be the 10 others who post here. Where was GZ living in 2005?
still hammering away at the same irrelevant question that does not actually help your argument danny?
And WHY did prosecutors ask SZ to testify about Veronica who was so 2005? It is a little trick question because character evidence was yet determined… But go ahead school me…..
IANTM: You haven’t schooled anyone on anything. You made a comment & voiced an opinion in which you have NO FACTS to support your opinion!!
Suggesting JW LIED to the Judge is LUDICROUS, JW is a seasoned professional, she’s not stupid & there is NO reason for JW to have lied for GZ or anyone else! If GZ DIDN’T WANT to see SS, there would be NO REASON for JW to INCLUDE the request & ask the “no contact order” be lifted so GZ could “see his girlfriend.” NONE!
Art I appreciate your assistance but JW is nothing more then a high priced media pundit with a law degree. It goes Disgrace, Jane, and Jayne. But Jayne did her job. Now she will be gibber jaws on HLN. And how many times have you seen MOM on CNN since his “contract”
Jibber jaWs lost credibility now that people know she is anti gun and pro support of a fake affidavit. That is why GZ’s pick in atty. tells us he really is attempting to rebuild his image.
“see his girlfriend.” Does not necessarily mean he wants to be with her. Could honestly mean numerous things. I personally have no knowledge of what exactly what it means to their relationship. LOL Could possibly mean he wants to tell her kiss my A$$ as much as it could mean kissy kissy… just saying. And none of us know any different.
You say you are in law school…….
Danny ~ LOL, that’s another JOKE IANTM is playing!
nope…not in law school…paralegal school and i have no problem with posting my transcripts and class registration to prove it
http://imgur.com/ORXU4tz
this is actually going to be my third semester
IANTM ~ JW filed a MOTION, if the State hadn’t dropped the case, the MOTION would have been argued in a Court Hearing.. It wasn’t a vehicle for anything, it was legal PROCEDURE followed by attorney’s.
and that shows just how little you understand about the legal system and criminal defense
What the heck do you mean : “BTW interim my blog is reopened. Until I get Annette and Coreshift to honor their commitment of GZ’s ex fiancé Veronica the pattern post will be delayed”
Your sounding pretty weird now Danny. I mean if you want to make a post on YOUR BLOG about something, then ummm like NIKE… JUST DO IT! .. Unless its like I was saying your trying to get get crap started and carry over a rant to your blog about someone here. You make no sense to me personally on what your talking about or getting at. And with that kind of behavior, I would tend not to visit your blog if that’s what it is about.
Well I hope I sound weird. And If you avoid the weirdness then please enjoy the likeness you have millions of other places.
Do you know where GZ lived in 2005?
? are you being sarc or an honest question?
If your looking at the courthouse stuff, there is some of that stuff that is a diff George Z
Sure
Nettles where did GZ live in 2005?
IIRC, GZ moved to Florida in 2002. It was 2005 that he had a run in at the Knight’s Library with the undercover cop. That bar is in Orlando. George moved into his parent’s retirement home in Lake Mary, I think it was in 2002.
Veronica says she met him in either 2003 or 2004. She’s in Florida too.
Nettles, DW is just messing with you/us, Here he asks IANTM upthread, and what I figured when he asked me.
DannyWarrior
December 12, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Reply
And WHY did prosecutors ask SZ to testify about Veronica who was so 2005? It is a little trick question because character evidence was yet determined… But go ahead school me…..
No. That was an actual question.
Not sure why Shellie was asked about the 2005 incidents. She hadn’t even met George then. Shouldn’t Shellie be testifying to what she has experienced first-hand with her husband?
Another thing to keep in mind, in 2005 George was 21 years old.
The point is Nettles is that…. the incident that caused the injunction happened at her place in Orlando. He lived ATT in Lake Mary. He claims that he just happened to be in his first fiancée’s neighborhood when she attacked him for refusing to sleep with her.
Wow! That’s one interpretation using a bare minimal of the facts.
I note, the incidents that BDLR told the court about on April 20th (first bond hearing) had nothing to do with the incidents that led to the injunction. You seem to like BDLR game. He told the court about Geroge smacking her in the face. Turns out that was the gum popping incident that he returned in favour. How does this man get to walk the streets (sarc).?
The incident that led to the injunction sounds to me like it started off playfully. George was hoping to stay the night. She didn’t think that would be a good idea. George put her cell phone in his pocket so she’d have to fish for it. In the wrestling they did to get her phone back, her dog became concerned George was hurting her. The dog bit him. Then things went from playful to nasty. George kicked the dog out of the way. She rightfully so didn’t like it and told him to leave. George was gone by the time the police arrived. They suggested to her she take out a restraining order. As George left her house bleeding, he decided to get a restraining order too. Both were granted. Since then, the youngsters got over their bad feeling for each other and they dined together talking about Shellie and her not wanting kids.
Shellie in her testimony on April 20th was emphatic, George is NOT a violent person.
You are pulling a BDLR, trying to make something out of smoke and mirrors. You buy it, I’m not going to.
“Wow! That’s one interpretation using a bare minimal of the facts.”
Then you say “The incident that led to the injunction sounds to me like it started off playfully. ”
Are you not interpreting what caused it?
As far as Shellie goes it seems you cherry pick her statements whenever they are supportive of GZ, and tear her to shreds when she reveals he is not the angel some have made him out to be.
“You seem to like BDLR game”
You certainly are entitled to your opinions. However, discussing the same set of facts on a specific topic means nothing more then discussing facts on a specific topic Nettles. Same facts, but the intent on the discussion and the conclusion is much different. If I wanted to establish the same argument as BDLR I would point to his legal arguments of prior bad acts. That is not my intent. My intent is to establish that GZ can be calm and cool, but he can also be a short tempered antagonist. Facts you care to dismiss. The manipulation you want to feed is that George Zimmerman is a man with no history of violence and an even tempered man who is a victim of circumstance. When the facts suggest there is a the George Zimmerman with multiple arrests for assaults and/or battery……restraining orders and a tendency to tell questionable stories. These are two different people.
Danny, trying to judge his character on how you believe he acted in a relationship breakup is foolish. Nobody is themselves in such an emotional charged situation and it takes two to tango. You also completely ignore Veronica’s summation:
“Although Zimmerman had a bad temper [Veronica] never witnessed any significant displays of anger or violence toward other people.”
I don’t think there are many people that could be said about.
I am not establishing IF he has acted violently, I am establishing whether or not he is a manipulative short tempered antagonist.
which is something you have failed to establish over and over and over
and over and over and over
I don’t think he lived in her neighborhood but I’m not sure he lived in Lake Mary either. I think it was 2004 that George’s parents came to Florida and moved into their home in Lake Mary. Not sure how long George lived with them after they moved to Florida.
Well, we have established he was not living in the same neighborhood. We have established they no longer were engaged or even dating.
So his story that she would invite him into her home after he just happened to be in her neighborhood, and she attacks him because he would not stay. Some of these claims sound very familiar…….
And every domestic incident he becomes the victim. Every domestic incident you claim these women over reacted. Or that the women is scorned. But every domestic incident the women has left him.
As I’ve stated before, calling any of these situations a domestic incident is an insult to the woman who have been victims of domestic abuse.
Here that is what they are called. A domestic for short. It establishes that an incident occurs between family or household members that are currently residing or have in the past resided together.
It could be a domestic if a Father and son are fighting. IF a brother and brother fight. If two friends who live together are fighting.
“Domestic violence” means any assault, aggravated assault, battery, aggravated battery, sexual assault, sexual battery, stalking, aggravated stalking, kidnapping, false imprisonment, or any criminal offense resulting in physical injury or death of one family or household member by another family or household member.
People do not get arrested for domestic incidents that are love spats, or for a disagreements. Usually one of the parties are asked to leave so the domestic incident does not escalate into domestic violence which obviously has clear definitions in what those criminal offenses are.
Also, I am unsure of the laws in Canada. But the law here determines what is DV and what it is not.
In order to debate you on who YOU determine to be a victim we would have to discuss the elements of the criminal act of domestic violence.
It certainly would not be equal protection under the law if States, police, and judges, determine what victim was not beaten enough to charge or convict the offender. The purpose of the law is to protect the victims not the offenders. The purpose of the definition of the law is to establish what criminal act was committed. So that you disagree on what DV is has no bearing on whether or not a women who was assaulted and simply spitting on someone could be an assault. Should we ignore the women who has a man spit in her face because another women was beaten to a pulp and needed medical attention? There is not a degree in abuse. Abuse is abuse. The only importance to what type of abuse it is, is that physical abuse brings bodily harm that is easy to see, and document.
I am sure if anyone talks to a physically abused women, she will report on a number of different types of abuse she encountered from emotional, psychological to financial abuse as well. If she does not report it she most likely is unaware it was abusive behavior. Many times abuse goes un reported. Part of the reason is because there are people like you who make them feel ashamed to even think what they are experiencing is abuse in the first place something the abuser already has down pat with their victim.
“People like me” Aren’t you charming.
In calling 911, is it ok to call for mental abuse? Is it ok to call for mental distress? Is it ok to call because you’re mad and you want to report your broken stuff?
In calling 911, and stating an emergency, I expect the caller to be in physical danger.
Police said that what they saw at the scene on Nov. 18th warranted George’s arrest. What did they see then if now their statement is there is no corroborating evidence to back up what was initially reported.
As I’ve shared, my mother had reason to call 911. She was being phsycially beaten and at times physically threatened.
Calling 911 over broken stuff and having “people like you” Danny call this domestic violence is offensive to women who do experience domestic violence and have to use the 911 system to call for help.
Nobody in their right mind would call 911 when they instigated the fight.
And I termed it Domestic as in the incident itself was a dispute between people living together. But you keep conflating two separate terms into one.
Besides the calls GZ made throughout his residency @ Twin Lakes, or filing an injunction in response to one being filed on him, has GZ ever called the police on, or tried to leave all these crazy women?
“What did they see then if now their statement is there is no corroborating evidence to back up what was initially reported.”
A broken table and guns is what they saw. But of course there would be no way to prove he did it under standards of ” Proof beyond reasonable doubt” unless SS testified. But just because legally it could not be proven does not mean he did not do it. What it means is they could not prove it.
Here is a transcript of part of Shellie Zimmerman’s Couric interview:
Shellie Zimmerman: I found out he was lying about a lot of things and he became like a pacing lion. Very unpredictable. Every single day it was like adrenaline going through my body constantly not knowing what it’s going to be like from day to day.
Couric: He was very unpredictable? Mercurial?
Zimmerman: Yes.
Couric: Were you frightened?
Zimmerman: I was. At times, I was …
Couric: I think in some ways it seems as if George is a ticking time bomb. I mean giving all these incidents, these run-ins. You know, repeated incidents over just this last year. What do you think is going to happen to him?
Zimmerman: I don’t know. I certainly hope that there are no casualties. I hope that there’s no violence. But he does seem like a ticking time bomb. I know I’m certainly afraid. I just hope that he can get maybe the help that he needs to deal with his situation and that no one else will be hurt.
It appears these women are dealing with someone they already fear and this is why they call 911 BEFORE it escalates.
“she will report on a number of different types of abuse she encountered from emotional, psychological to financial abuse as well.”
Funny thing, Danny. None of these women reported any of that. The only things they claimed occurred during the breakup or soon after. Imagine that.
As I said before, Shellie would have talked about incident after incident if there were any. Veronica would have as well. Neither one seems inclined to put up with crap or seems afraid to speak out.
There’s no there there.
I have a partial transcript of Shellie’s interview in response to one of Nettles comments.
Veronica reported a “bad temper.”
Oh and his cousin reported she was scared of him.
Yes, Danny. But you’re trying to establish some sort of history. Shellie’s comments came after filing for divorce and only cover post Trayvon incidents. She also felt betrayed because she believed he was having an affair. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t seem relevant. What’s relevant is neither Shellie nor Veronica reported incidents that occurred prior to their breakup with GZ. They most surely would have if there were any. i.e. They weren’t being abused by George in any way.
“She also felt betrayed because she believed he was having an affair. Whether that’s true or not doesn’t seem relevant. ”
That has NOT been confirmed and you are right, it is not relevant. So why mention it?
Coreshift the fact she is divorcing is irrelevant as well. The fact it occurs at a break up is also irrelevant. The timing matters none.
There is NO motive to make false abuse claims when these women are the ones that chose to leave him.
Many women do not report abuse for many reasons. Not reporting it does not mean it had not occurred. It just means it went unreported.
The only person who appears scorned is GZ when he is rejected by women he wants to be with.
His version of the story with the domestic with Shellie was that she was instigating violence against him. However, IF she did indeed provoke him to break the Ipad …..calling 911 in a panic is strange behavior for her and breaking an IPad recording her attack on him was strange behavior for him.
His story with Veronica was that she began berating him and scratched him when he tried to leave. Strange behavior she called the cops on herself and, Strange behavior for him because he left before the cops came.
His story with Samantha is that he was packing to leave at her request but she changed her mind and did not want him to go. He denied arguing with her because she was pregnant.
Strange behavior for the one who called the cops.
Sheibe prolly was scared when he choked her. But I am sure she “misspoke” and really said he was giving her Heimlich maneuver and she was “afraid” of choking.
It is the elephant in the room.
And Veronica saw it, she excused his behavior by thinking it was medication he was taking.
Shellie saw it & she still is making excuses.
Zimmerman: I think he unraveled after the trial. I think, obviously there was the prior domestic dispute with his ex-fiance. So, I think he may have had that potential all along. But certainly we’re hearing about more now. He had never assaulted me before like he did during our domestic dispute. So I would have to assume that he, yes, he did unravel after the trial.
I can only assume no women would want to be judged for choosing someone who mistreated them.
danny fails again…..fallacy of false cause
What is fallacious David? School me buddy.
how about you do your homework and find out what fallacy of false cause is and connect the dots danielle
Ok Davina
following
Nettles, how is your Christmas party planning coming along? I know your busy 😉
It’s going great! I am so in the Christmas spirit that my own blog seems like it’s on another planet.
I have the kids Christmas party this coming Sunday and the kids are looking forward to getting dressed up and seeing Santa. I love this party. The kids are wonderful with their sheer joy at the surprises we have done for them in the past. I can’t wait to see their expressions again this year.
Trying to work up racist emotion? Say it aint so. Sick!
Everything is about race… then beg… FYI I am as ticked off as anyone else about this, but there isn’t any RACE crap about it. SO why make it …oh … Race Baiting emotion stirring begging… got it.
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Thursday, December 12, 2013
The rich sure have it rough, don’t they?
Reminds me of a line by Martin Mull,
Sometimes I get so damn mad when I go home that I go outside and throw my drink across the lawn.
What sort of sentence do you think a black kid from a poor family would have received, if his parents argued and divorced instead of paying attention to him?
Yeah, I know. It’s a rhetorical question.
And District Judge Jean Boyd ain’t fit to wear the black robe.
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Now that wasn’t nice at all. I don’t condone that, young man. Might find self on the Naughty List for wishing bad on people. Do unto Others as you would have them do unto you… Means treat people like you want to be treated.
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from last thread –
Danny and Stevie –
As I said on the last thread, I don’t lean towards believing GZ loves media attention. For one thing, he hasn’t sought to give interviews at all (granted, that might be due to temporary prohibition), but he also isn’t hiring a PR agent to speak for him or asking one of his family or friends to speak for him. I can’t think of any way that GZ could seek out attention, whether positive or negative, that wouldn’t put him in potential danger (short of becoming Spider Man in a face mask, but that’s a dangerous job to begin with lol).
But that’s the biggest reason I don’t think he is a publicity hound – it puts him at risk. A psychologically healthy person is not going to put their life at risk for the sake of publicity*. Therefore, I suspect his actions which have led to publicity, and it was negative publicity let’s not forget, were not intentional, rather they were lapses of judgment, springing from poor self-image, depression, PTSD, whatever. And suggesting that GZ may have been conspiring with SS to get this attention (and money) – personally, I highly doubt GZ would take the chance of being arrested again, which is highly likely given the negative media attention he has gotten. I don’t think more court and jail time would appeal to GZ, even if it brought in some bucks for interviews. The downside is too negative relative to any potential upside.
And while you or I might say, “oh that woman is trouble, she’s low class”, etc, it’s not always as easy to see when someone’s emotions are blinding them. Plus, we tend to attract and be attracted to our “equals” (similar to ourselves), meaning if these are the only types of women GZ is used to, then they’re the norm to him. Or, if his self-esteem has significantly decreased since he was charged, he may not feel he deserves any better.
Basically, my feeling is that he was traumatized, is rather depressed, hasn’t sought help, is rather isolated and trapped alone in his own head with negative self-thoughts, and I suspect to a large extent, he doesn’t feel he deserves much anything “too good”. He reminds me of a pinball game, like the ball careening around in the machine, his direction determined by outside forces.
*Yes, I suspect Evil Knievel must have had a few screws loose. However, athletes (I don’t consider car racers to be athletes, YMMV, no pun intended lol) who do risky things (downhill skiers, etc) at least are trying to beat their record, excel at their sports, their purpose isn’t the media attention itself.
Traybots have been positing GZ wants the publicity/attention for quite some time. This is a search of tweets containing “zimmerman” and “attention”.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/3xi3u9lfit7voim/gz%20attention%20tweets.html
Thanks, coreshift, I didn’t know that. Interesting….
A while back I said that the TM/GZ case was the wrong case to use in an effort to forward anti-gun and and ‘civil rights’ agendas. It was justified self-defense and there was absolutely no indication of race being a factor. Some want to find him guilty for something, others just want it to go away.
I am inclined to believe those who had relationships with GZ on the attention seeking behavior Coreshift. Not anyone here, or Traybots. RZj. is the same way. So is Sr.
You calling me a Traybot is just your way to dismiss the facts given to you. I think it is you & not I who knows a lil too much about Traybots. But anyway….I think people are well aware I am not some underground Traybot wanting GZ to go away. You are starting to sound like SD now. I personally had enough when I watched the video of him @ the Deans. Ya know the one where he put his hand to his shoulder holster & broke the Ipad. The one bad act you will agree he comitted, even though you believe Shellie deserved it because Ms. Misspoke confirmed Shellie hit him with the Ipad. You can confirm right on these pages when I decided GZ was an attention seeking, and should just go away.
And on other topics, you just do not seem to want to know how I came to my conclusions, which are mine and mine alone. And when I question you on how you could have came to your conclusions you avoid answering. So give up the “Danny is an underground Traybot” bit. You know it is not true. You are being intellectually dishonest with everyone here.
hi lorac:
Those are interesting points, and i agree that GZ is probably depressed. You can see that in his face and how he has let himself go. And I also agree that he is not consciously seeking media attention. Human nature though is that once someone is in the spotlight, there is a letdown after it is turned off. A natural tendency is to seek it out again, so I think he is doing it subconsciously.
GZ does have a tendency to believe that he can get away with things, and that could be why Hornsby thinks he is dangerous.
Going back to 1995, here is GZ’s reaction to a criminal proceeding with an ex:
“Im still free! The ex hoe tried her hardest, but the judge saw through it! Big Mike, reppin the Dverse security makin me look a million bucks, broke her down! Thanks to everyone for checkin up on me! Stay tuned for the A.T.F. charges……”
and then:
“2 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor!!!!!!!!!!! The man knows he was wrong but still got this hump, Thanks to everyone friends and fam, G baby you know your my rock!”
Yet it turns out from all the testimony, that he really is just a “softie.”
I know GZ has a target on his back and the media attention makes his life harder. But it is up to him to get the counseling he needs and stop all of the stupid decisions he has made since trial. Once he understands that his ego craves that attention perhaps he can exert some self control. His problems are not unsolvable, but he needs guidance. MOM dropped him like a hot potato, because MOM does not see any money coming. And I’m sure that MOM read him the riot act and told him to grow up.
Yet George continues to be George and keeps trying to push the envelope in order to show what a real man he is. I hope it stops. I hope he takes the advice to go somewhere else, because people are going to push him in Florida. There are too many crazies out there and GZ has some serious weapons.
Stevie –
One caution with regard to GZ remarks from “1995”. He would have been 12 years old, if I am not mistaken?
More like 10, if I am not mistaken. LOL!
sorry, 2005; but you get the drift.
No one would want the media attention GZ gets, it is cruel mean spirited and hateful. I suspect GZ is relieved to be out of the spotlight.
All this conjecture about his personal perspectives and motivations is PURE speculation.
Roflmbo! Oh this could have been sent to Santa from my lil Granddtr lol She will be a yr old Jan! Just some Christmas fun http://theuglyvolvo.com/2013/12/10/a-ten-month-olds-letter-to-santa/
Mimi, the Santa letter was so cute! And so absolutely true LOL. Loved it 🙂
Thanks, I thought was true and funny too
After multiple threats of death by Jordan Davis and his brandishing of a weapon, I was convinced that my life was in danger. When Mr. Davis opened his door and said ‘You’re DEAD expletive! This expletive is going down NOW,’ I was convinced that the loss of my life was imminent, I had no choice but to defend myself, I am NOT a murderer. I am a survivor.”
Seems like the Michael Dunn case is going to come down to the same jury question: Did MD have a reasonable fear that his life was in danger? There will be witnesses–the other survivors in the car he shot at. Jury is going to have a tough job to sort out the truth here.
But tell me: who hasn’t been harassed by loud music from other inconsiderate drivers? Sometimes at 3 or 4 in the morning. What hasn’t wished someone would stop that craziness? Of course, taking potshots is a bit off the deep end.
I think Michael Dunn is going to have a lot of credibility issues. He claims he saw a gun, that it was either a barrel or a stick. Yet he also claims he is a gun expert, so wouldn’t he know the difference.
And yes, the statements he gave to the newspaper are going to be used against him. Very unwise to give statements without a lawyer.
This photo was taken at last year’s kids’ party. Santa is my nephew and the elves are two of my nieces. The clown was a hired professional animal-balloon maker. She was fantastic!
Last year’s party was held in our company’s office, but this year we are going to a kid’s playland. I hope the kids love it as much as I think they will.
What are you guys doing to get ready for Christmas? Is anyone doing charity work to help make other’s lives a little easier?
In Ontario, we get the day after Christmas off, known as “Boxing Day” so this holiday is a 4 day event for us (much like the American’s Thanksgiving). Is Christmas a big deal with it being so close to your Thanksgiving? It sure is a big deal here. I’m finding people around me in real life are kinder and gentler at this time of year. I love love love Christmas!
I love helping out at our Pre K. This year my lil 4 yr old is there, but I love it every year. I love the innocence of children! There are a lot there that the families don’t have much. Its not the babies fault. I ALWAYS go to Michaels and walmart and other stores after Christmas and get lots of stuff for the next year. I bag it up and put upstairs in a spare closet. Its as much fun for me getting it out and taking to the school for the kiddos as it is for the teachers and kids using. Monday I am going to spend the day and when the teachers have their Faculty Party, and kids nap (in my gson class) this lil Elf MIMI has a big surprise hee hee. Love fall/winter. My bday and my 2 dtrs and now my granddaughter, birthdays are Jan/Feb. I have always tried to make special because our weather is not very predicitable. I love Snowmen/women. Since you can have them longer than some Christmas decorations. I love sentimental things.
yes, nettles. it is the biggest deal of the year–the MOST wonderful time of the year (at least for kids).
That Boxing Day thing doesn’t sound too good. After too much egg nog and football, why not a little boxing? There probably is way too much DV around the holidays, because it is very stressful. It has become over-commercialized here and the starting date keeps getting extended. They have already had Christmas in July sales, and I fully expect Christmas to eventually get started right after Independence Day!
Boxing Day is observed in England as well. It’s the day we take our presents back to the store, all boxed up for returns. 🙂
yeah, i was being facetious. LOL
I knew you were. I guess that didn’t come across. 🙂
This photo was taken on December 2nd. I am in the center. My friends and family went to the local soup kitchen and food bank, Knights Table, and packed holiday hampers for families in need. This is a tradition for us. We call our group “The Nuts”. It came from the slogan “Family is like fudge, mostly sweet with a few nuts.”
My nieces and nephews sure appreciate the opportunities they have. Whenever I get down, I go to the foodbank to help others. A weird thing happens, I end up leaving better. In helping others, I’ve helped myself.
what a wonderful family, you are so lucky!
I know it. I am very lucky.
Annette you have a wonderful looking family. God bless all of you! As for lucky, I would say you make your own luck, you guys have done a wonderful job to make it so.
Thanks Boricuafudd! ♥ BTW, that’s my wonderful Mom in the bright colored coat.
I thought that smile looked familiar!!! LOL!
I used to volunteer weekly at a local food pantry. Now I watch my grandchildren more often so I don’t get to spend as much time there as often. But like you say, it just brings this lil special twinkle in your body. God reminding us, someone, somewhere is having a worse time then us. Hugs and cant wait to hear all about the parties!
Fabulous photo of your good looking family.
My Birthday is next Wednesday, don’t forget! 🙂
Nutcase nancy Disgrace and the Ouija board incident last night
New thread
IMHO Michael Dunn is going to have a tough row to hoe. His biggest mistake was not turning himself in, thinking perhaps he was going to get away with it. I think it indicates a guilty mind, and it can of course be used as evidence against him.
After a quick perusal of this case, I think his best bet is to reach a plea agreement with the prosecutors. I think we is wasting lots of his parent’s money on attorneys.
I doubt he will get the death penalty, but he should claim mental anguish. And perhaps being a little drunk, so he could plead to involuntary MS. If he continues to try to win this case with a jury, anything is possible in Floriduh. But his poor parents are losing their life savings, all over a stupid incident about loud music.
It should be a lesson for us all.
JMO….but the fact that the Davis family is frantically trying to complete the civil suit before the criminal trial begins tells me the evidence against Dunn may not be as strong as the MSM would have us believe
https://twitter.com/JohnPhillips/status/411583223190544384
stevie ~ I haven’t kept up on the case you are discussing but wanted to point out a couple of interesting things In Civil Suit.
When a Civil Suit is filed by a family BEFORE a criminal case has concluded, the Family has ALL the BURDEN to prove their case to a JURY. LE/Prosecutors DON’T share their evidence w/families seeking a Judgement for monetary awards IF the evidence is not known to the public, they will not jeopardize their case for anyone..(this just happened in another case I follow, Kyron Horman, Prosecutors ask his mother to drop the Civil case UNTIL after the Criminal Case.) IF the evidence is in the public domain, the family can use it BUT it is a HUGE burden for a family/attorney to try their case before a Jury/Judge & convince them they should win a Judgement against whom they are suing.
When a Civil Suit is filed by a family AFTER a criminal case has concluded, the Family CAN USE ALL of the evidence the State used in trying to prove their case to convict, that makes the Civil Suits cheaper to try & ALL the evidence is known. EVEN IF the State fails to convict, many times a Victim’s family can still be successful in winning a Judgement in their Civil Case. (note: Fred/Kim Goldman got a 30 million dollar PLUS Judgement in a Civil Suit despite OJ being found NOT GUILTY)
I was surprised about Tracy/Sybrina/Crump/Natty Jack RUSHING to settle the Civil Suit against HOA! When someone is hurt or injured on your property, you can be sued for damages & be held liable, in the HOA settlement, it was commercial property, PLUS the argument that GZ was the “neighborhood watch guy” that represented their community didn’t weigh in their favor, so I think they ALL wanted that settled hastily. I just have to wonder what would have happened IF the HOA had WAITED to settle that case UNTIL after GZ was found “NOT GUILTY.” jmho, I wonder if they would have paid substantially less? I think they would have paid regardless, BUT, imo, GZ was not a lunatic that murdered TM as probably T/S/Crump tried to convince the HOA. (was it after the HOA settlement that ALL the damaging photos/thuggish pictures/gang info came out?)
Art-
One caveat to what you said and might explain why the Martin’s tried and successfully settled before the trial. Many jurisdictions bare judgements in case of a injury or death in the commission of a crime. TM was assaulting GZ, a good argument could be made for that which would have negated any judgement.
I have not done the research but I seem to remember Florida being one of those jurisdictions which bar civil judgements for damages incurred while committing or in the act of a crime.
boricufudd ~ What are your thoughts on this:
The NBC suit seems to be dragging because we are ALL curious as to what’s up. GZ now has no money, Sybrina & Tracy have UNTIL Feb. 26, 2014 to file their “wrongful death suit/Civil Suit” against GZ, that would be 2 yrs.
I have to wonder if MOM/Beasley DON’T won’t the case to settle before then BECAUSE if it settled, the grifters would see $$$$ signs & would possibly move forward. If the date passes for their Civil Suit, GZ would owe them nothing.
IF they moved forward w/their Civil Suit, & GZ were awarded anything in the future from NBC, monies that GZ got, they would get a piece ofi if they won in the Civil Suit.. Many think the grifters civil suit would fail, BUT GZ would incur MORE high legal fees to defend himself in that suit & it wouldn’t be MOM representing him. I am confident MOM could win, but not anyone else. GZ could get the case dismissed through filing bankruptcy if the gritters won ONLY if the NBC hadn’t settled. BUT GZ would then be dismissing legal fees owed to MOM/West through a bankruptcy too. The problem is this: the grifters law suit too would take a long time, ALL Civil suits do! Which would come to conclusion first, the NBC settlement or the potential Judgement of the grifters?
KC filed for bankruptcy to avoid paying those she owes in Civil Suits & debts, the State in which she owed $ 260,000.00 was dismissed, Baez’s attorney fees were dismissed which was $ 500,000.00 as well as other bills KC had accumulated. Those w/Civil Suits are fighting her, KC agreed to pay Texas Equsearch $ 75,000.00 from any future earnings. Zanny the Nanny is fighting to have her Civil Suit NOT dismissed through the bankruptsy but it remains to be seen if it is dismissed r not, WHY? Because KC is such a POS, she doesn’t plan to ever be responsible for any of the hardships she heaved on those that are suing her, she wants ANY monies all for herself.
IJudgements in Fla. Civil Suits can be dismissed through bankruptcy! I personally think that sucks, but I don’t live in Fla. KC continues has endless PRO BONO Attorney’s willing to fight her battles dismissing ALL her debts through bankruptcy, imo, it just isn’t fair.
It could just be that NBC doesn’t gain anything by settling early. Simplistically put: Why not keep the money in their bank for as long as possible, and gain interest, instead of giving it away? Lawyers on retainer will delay, play at negotiations, and if it finally comes down to a trial, settle. Doesn’t cost a dime for NBC to delay a settlement as long as possible. It’s actually to their advantage. IMO.
I saw some correspondence from a family member of George’s that said the NBC suit “was moving along slowly”
In a recent interview with Steve Malzberg (clip one 6:00 mark), O’mara indicates the NBC lawsuit is in ‘hiatus’ pending the conclusion of the criminal case which is technically open pending motions for sanctions and costs.
http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-trauma-girlfriend/2013/11/22/id/538225
Even if O’mara is unsuccessful with sanctions at least they will put the spotlight, if only briefly, back on the unethical prosecution team and their attempts to conceal the contents of trayvon’s phone.
I’m taking solace in the notion that Crump is foaming at the mouth with the knowledge that George is getting ALL his guns back. Makes crump look stupid,imo. Also bet that crump was mulling over the wrongful death suit. Jose Baez recently, before charges were dropped, told Geraldo (radio) that zimmerman’s DV trouble could affect a judges immunity decision. Not that I value Baez’ opinion but you better believe Crump is itching to pull the trigger on a civil suit. I dont think he cares about airing trayon’s dirty laundry if he could get a piece of GZ’s NBC $.
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Technically speaking you be correct in that February would run out the clock for any civil suits. Some States allow the plaintiff to file from the point at which they knew or found out a wrongful death occurred. Which could be interpreted as when the prosecution actually filed charges. In this case in April.
Some jurisdictions have expanded the definition even more so that a judge could interpret the date of the settlement with the HOA as the start time for any wrongful death suit, since a settlement can be viewed an admission of responsibility.
Let’s put that aside for the moment, Florida does offer immunity so if the Martin’s do sue, they will be liable for attorney’s fees if the judge agrees. An acquittal, certainly goes a long way towards meeting the burden for GZ that he did not act in a libelous manner.
Let’s put that aside for a moment, Florida law protects assets that were GZ able to collect on a settlement will allow him to shield any settlement from the Martin family. It is one of the reasons that OJ moved to Florida.
GZ declaring bankruptcy now will not protect him from a future judgement, if the Martin’s do sue and win. Getting back to the suit against NBC, it is my belief that it is still in the early stages and most likely it is in mediation with both sides trying to arrive at a settlement. Arbitration and or mediation are usually tried first before a Judge would get involved.
In other words even if the family sues and wins, and then GZ is able to win or settle his own lawsuit the payout can be structured in a manner that the Martin’s would not get a cent.
Phillips is full of crap and just last month filed a settlement proposal in a civil suit against dunn
Case 16-2013-CA-001133-XXXX-MA
Department Circuit Civil Division CV-B
Case Status OPEN File Date 1/31/2013
Judge Name COLE, KAREN K.
Parties
Name / DOB / DL / ID # Party Type
Race / Sex Address
DAVIS RON PLAINTIFF
/
,
DUNN MICHAEL DEFENDANT
/
,
Mcbath Lucia PLAINTIFF
/
,
Attorneys
Name Address Type
Phillips, John Michael [redacted]
Jacksonville, FL 322104424 Private Attorney
36 — 11/14/2013
11/14/2013
NOTICE OF SERVING PROPOSAL FOR SETTLEMENT TO DEFENDANT
37 — 12/5/2013
12/5/2013
NOTICE OF CANCELLATION OF HEARING (PLAINTIFF’S) SET FOR 12/10/2013 AT 10 AM IN ROOM 705
Happy Holidays to All.
Merry Christmas to you too Jordan, I am dealing with my own medical issues, I hope you are doing better with yours.
Hello, bori. I am doing my best to get a grip on current events. I am stunned to see what has happened to George.
Oops, just read what you said about medical issues. Are you OK?
Jordan
I had an old back injury that resulted on some herniated disks. For the last few months my lower back had been getting progressively worse. I attributed it to the old injury. A x-ray showed the herniated disks so I was treating my back with physical therapy, muscle relaxants and pain killers, the usual therapy.
Problem was that I was getting worse. To the point that I could not walk or stand for more than a few minutes and eventually even sitting down caused pain.
Finally a MRI was done and they found that I have a spinal tumor which was causing swelling and pressure against the nerves in the spinal cord. I have gotten some injections recently that have lowered the swelling, relieving the pressure.
As a result I have regain some mobility but I still need treatment for the tumor. To make matters worse the doctor that was treating me will not longer be part of the network for our insurance plan, so now I had to find a different doctor that will cover me next year.
I still don’t know how things will proceed, surgery, chemotherapy or radiation treatments.
Oh, Man..I am so sorry to hear about the tumor and will pray for you, bori.
I cannot stand or walk either for more than 20 steps…..It is diagnosed as advanced arthritis in my lower spine plus now I have cardiovascular issues in my legs and hips. Hopefully a couple of stents will solve it, but no guarantees of that. I have had 5 injections in my lower back to no avail but have found a VA surgeon who has committed herself to solving my back issue so I can walk again.
I also have Medicare Part B and will have to make my third change in Primary Care physicians on January 1st, thanks to Obamacare but I am going to start looking for other pain doctors and surgeons who can help me. I am determined to run again.
One question; Is the tumor benign?
I don’t know yet, but both doctors have told me that they usually are. The danger is now that I will have permanent nerve damage causing paralysis.
I haven’t run much since I was much younger but I would like to finish 18 holes again.
Living in pain is no fun. Get well, my friend.
MERRY CHRISTMAS JORDAN!!! SENDING HUGS AND WISHES FOR BETTER HEALTH AND ABUNDENCE OF HAPPINESS FOR YOU AND WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS!
That is so nice of you remember us, mimi. I wish you and yours the best holiday season ever.
Oh guess what. I get notifications from that fancy steak house now lol NICE 🙂
Really? I did not know they send out emails. Bern’s, correct?
Bern’s yes, but not emails 🙂 First one I got thought of you
What did they send?
They are on twitter & fb . What I ment. Just lil adv and stuff about their restaurant. Looks as amazing as you said