No, it means I’m nettles posting using a sock account. 🙂 Can’t be first on a new thread otherwise. #Joking
How do I know you are not a nettles sock puppet? For all you know I am a sock puppet!!
Amazing how much we don’t know haha.
+1
🙂 Yes, we simply do not know 🙂
I am Nettles # 3. Nettles #1s favorite! 😛
ROFL and yes I like talking to you and to Bori as well as Nettles. 🙂 😉
No, you are #6, #6.
: – )
You are always first!
It is glorious here! Lower 80’s and got to sleep with windows open. I go back to work tomorrow for the first time in 5 weeks so I am excited about that and a little apprehensive, too. Starting with 4 hour shifts to make sure I don’t hurt myself.
Best of luck to you tomorrow! I hope your recovery continues to go well. ♥
Yes, good luck going back to work, and with recovery.
Ditto, one time to remember, don’t over do it on the first day. Congrats.
So glad to hear from and for the upbeat update.
Good luck debfromhell returning to work, smart to start off in short shifts.
WOO HOO good luck! We have had low 70’s and 60’s so open window time too!
Well, how did it go? How did you make out?
Not so good. I was doing fine until a HUGE* server and I passed each other. His hand landed right on the incision. That one put me in half. 😎 so I didn’t go in today. Damn the bad luck. I am feeling more “movable” this after noon and may make a try at a couple more hours tomorrow. I am scheduled off but I am great at begging!
*HUGE = 6’4″ weight lifter named Samson (true story on name. LOL. He must have been a big baby, too) His arms are bigger than my thighs and that is saying something!!!
Sorry to here about that, hang in there. Those darned bodybuilders! LOL! Feel better!
We have beautiful sunny weather over here. Of course we are heading into summer.
Beautiful cooler fall weather here in TX, but it probably won’t last. Sometimes we wear shorts at Christmas… hey probably the same there, right? 😉
Yes 🙂 most of the time. However, we have also experienced many a cool and rainy Christmas over here, and that includes in Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney and the Central Coast. However, in Townsville it was a very warm day 🙂
winsome – I am in La., it is cooler here too & we had some rain last week, I agree, it won’t last! The thing I dislike about living in the South is that we don’t truly have the changes in the season, it’s hot or cold, lol.
You got that right. I love the 4 seasons I’ve enjoyed in other parts of the world… all except the snow shoveling 🙂
there are 2 seasons that I dislike – winter and summer. The reasons are different as to why i do not like those seasons.
In north of Australia there are only 2 seasons – wet and dry. I hated the wet season because it was very painful. I loved the dry season up north and got in a lot of early morning swimming 🙂
My oldest daughter was 14 when we went. We were there for about three weeks during December and January. We started in Sydney, on to the Outback (Alice Springs and Ayes Rock), then to Cairns for some diving on the Great Barrier Reed and a visit to the Daintree Rainforest. I may have left out a few places but we left from Melbourne.
The weather was perfect everywhere we went….but it was a little warm in the Outback. What a great experience for my daughter. IIRC, December and January are summer months for you. I do not recall any rain until we got to Melbourne.
yes, December, January and February are our summer months. It can get very hot in March, and the warm weather continues through April.
The wet season covers September through to May. You can get all sorts of weather in that season including cyclones. They are not fun.
We have 4 seasons here in my Arkansas. Shoot, sometimes even within the same Month, have had in same week! Sayin goes here, if you don’t like the weather, just hang around! 🙂
LOL, we say the same here. Sometimes changes can be pretty drastic in the same day. Usually depends on which way the wind blows :-).
In Melbourne we used to have 4 seasons in one day!!
Once upon a time in NC we actually had spring and fall.
Now we have summer, winter, and yellow.
(pine pollen)
Ha, we have that yellow one here too. From pollen, and the color of lots of faces (people suffering from awful allergies)!
Okay…something light….. This is suppose to be a joke on the “Rules of Washington”
But, I changed the title.
Sundances MOD Rules……
1. If it’s worth fighting for, it’s worth fighting dirty for.
2.Don’t lie, cheat or steal…unnecessarily.
3.There is always one more son of a bitch than you counted on.
4. An honest answer can get you into a lot of trouble.
5. The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
6.Chicken little only has to be right once.
7.”NO” is only an interim response.
8.You can’t kill a bad idea.
9.If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you ever tried.
10.The truth is a variable.
11. A porcupine with his quills down in just another fat rodent.
12. You can agree with any concept or notional future option, in principle, but fight implementation every step of the way.
13.A promise is not a guarantee.
15. If you can’t counter the argument, leave the meeting.
15. Should be
If you can’t counter the argument, keep comments in moderation
10.The truth has no agenda, but it is a variable.
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Those really are the rules everyone on the Hill and other elected officials elsewhere follows.
I have not not had any dealings with Sun Dance. If this is true, I am disappointed. I was quite impressed with al the things he wrote about truth and I was glad when I discovered he was trying to help GZ win the case. I found a couple of women in the Treehouse group to be rude and abrasive but never had any interaction with Sun Dance.
My purpose is not to bash SD. I make fun sometimes because he runs his blog like a dictatorship.
Personally, I feel SDs shortcomings are the very things he preaches against. He is intellectually dishonest. He played his viewers for fools. He treated people very unchristian like, and he road the coat tails of GZ, his family and friends. He created a conspiracy surrounding MOM and caused a fraction in the supporting group. He attempted to bankrupt the legal fund and I feel defamed many along the way on his quest for Truth which is nothing more then selfish gain.
I personally never had dealings with SD either. Other then what has been hashed out publicly so I have no personal vendetta against him at all. My purpose is to expose ALL of the lies, corruption, and railroading. Sadly it includes exposing supporters (which really were not supporters when you really look @ it). Just Wolves in Sheeps clothing.
That’s interesting that you say “supporters which were not supporters but just wolves in sheep’s clothing.” I emailed that site a couple of times with questions about the best way to donate to George’s security needs after the trial. It was Sharon who responded both times. I got the impression both times that there wasn’t much real concern about George or burning desire to help someone contribute to his security. I was puzzled and hoped I was wrong.
I think MANY had the same impression as you. But there has been numerous times after the MOM bashing party began Mods. there have said their interest was not GZ but to expose BGI which in their minds included MOM. So in other words if the GZ ended up in jail for 25 yrs. or was murdered it mattered none to them. In fact it would have supported their agenda!
Wow! That’s frightening. Seems dangerous. I was puzzled by the negative things said about O’Mara. I thought he did an excellent job and he did get an acquittal. I was disappointed he dropped George after the trial, but that’s his right. I think the fact that O’Mara is so liberal and sensitive to issues such as profiling helped him win the case.
I noticed in a different threat that someone said Sundance lives in Florida. We came so close to buying a house there.
This is all interesting and disappointing.
Another thought is that I was at first puzzled at the name “Treehouse Conservatives” and their description of the site as a retreat for the last ragtag conservatives and discussion of how all of them seemed to not be treated well because of their conservatism. I’m conservative but don’t feel a need for a retreat.
The quick story behind why the owners of the blogs named it that was because prior to the CTH they posted @ various blogs owned by others. They really were extreme of politicals and caused contentions. So they got band. One of them opened a WP and without noticed closed it down because some were attacking part of the group who stayed @ those other blogs, suppose it was an issue of loyalty. Those “some” are the current owners of TCTH. Hence “ragtag bunch of misfits”. They have a history of being very loyal to each other and very very closed minded. To tell you the truth I have no clue how they have made it in the real world!
DannyWarrior,
I am having trouble answering posts. I get them in my email but when I click “reply” in the email, it just takes me to the thread and I have trouble finding the message I want to respond to.
I’m responding your message: “The quick story behind why the owners of the blogs named it that was because prior to the CTH they posted @ various blogs owned by others. They really were extreme of politicals and caused contentions. So they got band. One of them opened a WP and without noticed closed it down because some were attacking part of the group who stayed @ those other blogs, suppose it was an issue of loyalty. Those “some” are the current owners of TCTH. Hence “ragtag bunch of misfits”. They have a history of being very loyal to each other and very very closed minded. To tell you the truth I have no clue how they have made it in the real world!”
Thank you. You cleared up some confusion for me. That’s one more thing that I no longer have to ponder. LOL
I did pick up on their loyalty to each other. I certainly noticed some were abrasive to me even in responding to my email about how to donate to GZ’s security. Thought maybe it was my imagination or that Sharon just didn’t like me.
This is funny, in a lot of ways. I feel your pain. I have been working on this 1990 LOL
Are you on a Mac? if so, what OS do you use… AND what web browser are you using?
I will try to help… no promises because there is no simple solution. I use Snow Leopard but I have to use 3 web browsers.. Safari, Firefox and Opera. These browsers are all fickle and moody.
Are you using Yahoo email? If so, we are in crisis mood. If you are, then you probably notice a major change yesterday… like.. where the hell are my incoming emails? I have received NONE from this site since I left today around 4:30 PM.
Danny has it correct. They were banned from Hillbuzz because of their attitude. It is why Kevin flushed them out.
Now consider this. Many contacted the CTH either publicly or privetly to donate to GZ. To also find out information that would help GZ. Instead of directing people to this fund, they were directed to donate to CTH for their efforts in exposing BGI. Not to keep a man safe. How does one ensure people will donate to their cause and not GZ. Lie about MOM having complete control of the donations. Lie about why this Atty. is representing GZ. Lie about his political and social affiliations. And then PROMISE you and only you can deliver the truth, and in the mean time string em along!
Wow!
In some ways they helped George and in other ways they hurt him. Doesn’t sound like it was his welfare they had in mind. They did do a lot of investigating and gave the information to the defense attorneys.
Jack Cashill sure seemed to trust them.
If they did lie about O’Mara, what happened to “The truth has no agenda?”
P.O.,
They did help GZ but just were not willing or maybe not capable of addressing all issues because they had their own agenda.
CTH has proven Truth does have an agenda!
I still like concept that the truth has no agenda. I also like what Churchill said about truth. I believe the truth does have no agenda. It’s like the scale for dieters. We may try to bend or stretch the truth when we record what we eat, but when we step on the scales, there it is, the truth. When it comes to more important world matters, God knows the truth. We may all have agendas, but the truth exists separate from all our agendas. It’s just there and God sees it just as it is.
I suppose the Treehouse agenda was fighting the BGI. The BGI is horrible only because they hurt innocent people and they hurt some individuals very badly. It’s difficult to be against the BGI without caring about those they hurt. I suppose it is possible to put one’s focus on either the ones hurt or on the BGI itself.
I shudder when I think about what they did to George, his family, and everyone near him. I don’t blame Shellie for wanting to separate herself from that burden. I just wish she’d be a little more careful about how she does it.
I don’t know if you read what I wrote in my blog regarding this issue but you can check it out. IMHO the issue is that we as society no longer believe in an universal truth, cultural relativism has made the truth; whatever you make of it. Here is a link, let me know what you think
It’s a lesson we learn early in life if we’re lucky: don’t assume! No matter how confident we are in our understanding of the issue. No matter how certain of another’s reasoning or motives. No matter how obvious the point may be to us. Effective communication is far more complicated and difficult than we think. With barriers like cultural differences, personal “filters,” different definitions, etc., it’s amazing that any of us ever understand one another. But these aren’t the most difficult obstacles. The biggest reason we aren’t able to hear what another is saying to us is simply… “fear!”
Oh, we may camouflage it behind anger, self-importance or any number of other false fronts, but at the root is fear. Fear of being “found out,” or of being disappointed, or of not getting what we want. It’s a powerful if crippling motivator. And most of us can summon up plenty of reasons why we shouldn’t take another at face value. Honest communication requires trust, and taking a risk. And we’ve been burned too many times. So we settle for safety, make the natural assumption, and run head-on into our own version of that pig as we journey down life’s highway!
There is a better way. A way that recognizes our similarities. That sees others as a source of community and healing. That looks past our own frustration and previous disappointments to explore the possibility that even a “stranger” may have something positive to say. The Apostle Paul described it in Corinthians, chapter 13. It’s the “higher way” of love. I almost hesitate to use that term these days because of the way our culture misuses it. But when you read Paul’s description, try substituting “maturity.” It’s a perfect fit. The risks are higher for this way of living, but so are the rewards.
Another (anonymous) writer cautions:
“To laugh is to risk appearing the fool. To weep is to risk appearing sentimental. To reach out for another is to risk involvement. To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self. To place your ideas, your dreams before a crowd is to risk their loss. To love is to risk not being loved in return. To live is to risk dying. To hope is to risk despair. To try is to risk failure. But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing. The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing and is nothing. They may avoid suffering and sorrow but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live. Chained by their certitudes they are a slave, they have forfeited their freedom. Only a person who risks is free.”
That doesn’t mean we should be naive. It does mean we should be careful what we assume. Check it out. Give others the benefit of the doubt. And if someone shouts something unexpected at us, at least entertain the possibility that perhaps it may be more than a personal insult. Who knows, that approach could change our life.
By CAPT J. David Atwater, CHC, USN
At the end of the day, there are only two things.. LOVE AND FEAR.
Poor communication or the lack of it is the root of most problems.
jordan – & I always thought the 2 things were death & taxes, LOL.
We get to choose between LOVE AND FEAR.. not so for taxes and death.
I have been keeping up w/the assault on Mr. Lean in NY, he was driving his range rover w/his 2 yr. old in the back seat & his wife, they were just going to celebrate their anniversary when a biker pulled in front of the SUV & stopped, Mr. Lein’s car tapped the rear tire of the motorcycle & it was clearly unavoidable as the video showed. Many bikes were participating in this group & were circling Mr. Lein’s SUV, yelling, harassing, & swearing at him, knocking windows out, & he gunned the engine to get away from the attack. The bikers followed the SUV & forced it to stop, broke Mr. Lein’s window & pulled him out, 5-6 bikers beat him while surrounded by many more, he has black eyes & stitches in his face.. A biker was injured when Mr. Lein hit a biker to escape the attack & has 2 broken legs& may be paralyzed, & his wife has HIRED media whore Gloria Allred, I assume to try to get monies or she wouldn’t be involved. The injured man has his license REVOKED until 2017, no insurance, etc., but his fiance of 17 yrs. has whined what a great guy he is & great dad, he has gotten little sympathy from bloggers/public.
I LMAO when a blogger stated, “TOO BAD GZ wasn’t driving that Range Rover, he’d have put a stop to that attack by those bikers threatening violence against him & his family.” The blogger was absolutely right imo, many KUDOS went to the blogger that made the statement about GZ, the couple & their child were absolutely defenseless against the attack. Luckily, there are videos of the event since one of the bikers had a video camera on his helmet & put it on you tube. It helped LE make several arrest, many more are expected.
It is a curious event. Why would a biker turn over the video?
It was prolly evidence they were forced to turn over…..or the biker thought it was evidence against the SUV driver.
The video was posted on one of the bikers YouTube channel Michelinman900, in there there were other videos that showed the way they were behaving that day. It does not paint a good picture for them, here’s a link to those before they were taken down.
Apparently, they did a similar thing earlier in the day with a different driver though it did not escalate like with the Range Rover.
Thanks bori!
It happen in my old backyard so you know I had to inquire. BTW packs of bikers have been a cause of problems for years in NYC, clogging traffic, causing accidents, and running people over. The police had cracked down hard on them, which just push them out further into the outer suburbs were this incident originated.
We do not have that kind of biker gangs in my parts. Usually they are riding in memory of someone fallen or collecting toys for kids.
In the city were owning a car is a luxury, bikes are the car for young people and many are reckless with them, especially when they get together in a group.
boricuadd – the thing is, the bikers had broken so many laws as you point out showing some riding on sidewalks while forcing pedestrians off.
A good Samaritan stepped forward that was on his way to church to get the 6 bikers off Mr. Lien, he also stated “one biker was trying to get at Mr. Lien’s wife but on lookers were screaming at them & they left. The good Samaritan was recognized for his bravery by politicians in NYC today, he took a big risk to get between the bikers trying to protect Mr. Lien, KUDOS to that brave man.
Yes the Samaritan took a big risk, getting involved, guess what he was another White Hispanic, too.
Here’s another post on the incident, with the video and stills. Very informative.
Thanks, I don’t get to showcase my skills much, while waiting for Zim news. I think that talking about other subjects is a neat addition to this blog.
😀
boricuafudd – great links showing the circumstances. WHY did Cruz pull in front of Lien’s SUV to start with & stop knowing Lien would likely hit him or tap him in which Lien did?
I read that Cruz wanted to clear the street for the bikers to take over the road to do their stunts, but that doesn’t make sense SINCE Cruz is off his bike & approaching the SUV as well as many others.
Were they going to rob the Lien’s? Those that have been charged thus far have lengthy records INCLUDING Meses (sp?), the injured biker that had his license revoked. The DA to said most of the plates had been stolen & put on bikes they were trying to locate which was making it harder for to track down others.
There is an earlier video that shows how it got started trying to find it again, it has been deleted from YouTube. In it you can see how Mr. Lien first got involved, other cars were getting out of the way allowing the bikers to go through but Mr. Lien would not pull to the side like the others.
It was at this point when Cruz started to slow down, imo to force Mr. Lien to stop and pull to the side like everyone else had, then came the tapping of Cruz bike and the events that followed.
jordan2222 – the biker that had the video camera on his helmet put the videos on You Tube & they went viral, LE quickly were able t trace the videos back to the bike rider. I have read he turned the video over to LE, but not before they were posted to you tube.
The DA has said they have a lot mre videos now as well as still photos of the group.
now that was an interesting summary of the laws involved in the incident.
O’Mara knows his stuff.
Nettles – thanks for the link, I forget about MOM’s blog, he did a great on his contribution on this case. MOM pointed out the “fear factor,” Mr. Lien’s wife called 911 4 X’s in 9 minutes begging for help.
Did any go through?
Art and anyone else, if you are in NYC and in need of the police quickly, all you have to say is “Gun” involved and the response will amaze you. I have seen this person and my cousin who is a cop in NYC attests to this.
boricuafudd – a good tip about stating “gun involved,” no doubt a real emergency perceived by 911 & the call would be made a priority.
jordan2222 – yes, Ny’s 911 calls got through but we might never hear them since NY, like most states doesn’t Sunshine Laws.
Especially on an open investigation, that involves at least one undercover cop.. You can file a FOIA request and wait.
Surprising that MOM missed the fact that this was no accident. Cruz purposely slowed down and caused a dangerous situation. He is not the police and has no right to forcibly stop a driver. In doing so, Cruz violated a number of laws. He caused the collision and it was no accident. Need to go back to this point, Mark.
Interesting case indeed. Been following as well.
I like the title of this thread. I wasn’t here when the disputes started. What’s on my mind is the safety of George Zimmerman and his parents. I’m very glad that he’s been out of the news for a week or two. I was hoping that would happen right after the trial, but it didn’t. Maybe we have the government shutdown to thank. I’m not happy about the shutdown but I’m glad the Zimmermans are out of the news. I’m wondering if George has a divorce attorney. I’m hoping he can stop Shellie from getting an insurance policy on his life since he has so many threats against his life.
That’s what’s on my mind…..aside from personal things which no one else would be interested in.
Yesterday was George’s 30th birthday and greetings and sarcastic tweets to him were trending on twitter.
I’m glad we haven’t heard anything from George also. It seems no news is good news, at least until lots of loose ends are cleared up. And if we ever do hear more from him, I hope it will be really good news that he is safe and happy. So many people will never know the true story of what he and his family have been through. It’s truly been an eye opener to me seeing how the media and public perception can be manipulated by unscrupulous lawyers and politicians.
It seems the longer he goes without talking, the more valuable his story is going to be.
Hang in there George!
It seems RZJr is out and about having some fun. Good for him. Maybe GZ isn’t too far behind in getting on with his life and enjoying it.
A day or two into the shutdown Eric Holder said that the George Zimmerman investigation is ongoing, and was not affected by the shutdown.
I’m not happy about the shutdown either. I was appalled that our 80-90 year old WWII vets were barred from the memorial built for them. I was appalled today to learn that an elderly couple, she 77, and he 80, were told by the Park Police that they had to leave their home they’ve owned and lived at for 40 years because of the shutdown. They are living at an ice cream store in town they’ve run for 35 years, and she forgot his jeans and undershirts, and had to spend money they don’t have to buy him more pants and shirts, because they were ordered out of their home. I’m shocked that the fisherman can’t fish the lakes and streams that are on federal property. The chartered boats that some make their living at taking people out deep sea fishing in Fla were barred from doing business.
Since everyone else is asking, who do you blame for the shutdown?
Congress
No, not the House, the Senate and especially Harry Reid.
Where is this story, minpin?
I was appalled today to learn that an elderly couple, she 77, and he 80, were told by the Park Police that they had to leave their home they’ve owned and lived at for 40 years because of the shutdown
Funny how the “Shutdown” can shutdown a legitimate investigation of political wrongdoing but it can’t stop the waste of time political investigation of GZ. Priorities.
This should be a good time to evaluate and wipe out waste but no one cares
I think that is something the Democrats are aware of, that is why they are trying hard to make it as painful as possible, ridiculously so. Closing open air parks, museums, parts of the ocean, but the longer it goes the more it becomes clear the bloat of the government.
I heard a good one today-
The Spite House
rofl !
Interesting that the government shut down doesn’t stop Holder investigating Zimmerman but it has stopped the investigation of Holder’s fast and furious incident.
I can’t imagine what they could still be investigating at this point unless it’s the Scheme Team. Wishful thinking on my part.
Yes, wishful thinking. They could really do some good if DOJ would look into the real racism there.
I think Holder mostly wants to appease the NAACP by reassuring them he’s still investigating. They went through GZs life with a fine tooth comb several times and didn’t find anything they could use. He might be hoping Shellie will say something. Hard to tell.
I was hoping someone would get George out of the country after the trial ….. at least long enough for the danger to pass. The justice department is doing nothing about the death threats but encouraging people to lie so he can press federal charges.
Pondering –
I take a slightly different tact on that.
I do not believe that Holder seeks to appease the NAACP, nor feels the need to appease.
On the issue of how the department applies civil rights laws, they seem to be on the same playbook.
I don’t think that the attorney general spends any time hoping that Shellie will or will not say something.
That whole aspect of the GZ case is now firmly in the bureaucratic grasp of justice department machinery and it will stay there until the bureaucracy releases it.
I do think he’s trying to appease the NAACP. I agree that they are on the same page, but Holder is limited in what he can do based on what evidence he can manufacture. He would love to be able to press federal charges. If he had the evidence to do it, he would have done it already. I don’t think he wants pressure from the NAACP.
As to Holder’s limitations on this case, I agree and believe that the eventual resolution will be nil. Any prosecutor wants to press charges if they have the evidence. As to timing, I have no idea.
Do you know how long can the investigation be kept open?
Not for sure, it all depends which offices within the department get involved. My judgement is that this is not a high priority, but that is just a guess.
Bottom line, it can stay open as long as they want it to stay open.
This is where congressional pressure can be useful. Members of congress routinely send letters to all different government agencies seeking action, clarification, or answers.
If George could find a member of congress to push resolution of this thing with the justice department that could speed things up.
There are different offices that get involved depending on the law and the political juice etc.
For example, to act or not to act on the GZ matter may involve questions of internal policy of when to proceed and not to proceed. Does proceeding ahead violate standing written policy, does not proceeding possibly create a future precedential roadblock.
Remember, that this is still a bureaucracy.
They can leave it open from now until the heat death of the universe.
That doesn’t mean they’re actually doing anything about it.
But anytime people start asking why Zimmerman isn’t doing Federal time yet, they can put them off by saying that the investigation is ongoing and that they can’t comment on the progress of ongoing investigations.
Hooson, I’ll disagree to some extent, the Justice Department would know after over a year of investigation if charges were possible, and would have been ready to proceed if that was the case.
The establishment of a hotline, just presents an excuse to delay any decision on how they will proceed as they have to run down any leads presented. IOW it is a delaying tactic, we must also remember that it was at the behest of several civil rights groups and congresswomen, besides the family, that they were involved in the first place.
The DOJ does not have the resources to investigate every time a request is made, so their involvement in this case is purposeful and will continue while it is advantageous. As with many other investigations that go nowhere, do not be surprised to learn a few years down the road that the investigation had been close for some time now.
Bori –
You may very well be right. We simply do not know what is going on behind the scenes. I don’t mean that in a conspiratorial manner, so my suppositions are very measured.
I do understand, I just feel that at this point and with consideration to what has happened and current administration, this is about optics. Again just an opinion derived from prior and current events.
The subtle irony of Angela Corey pleading immunity in a case where she sought to deny immunity to George Zimmerman!
My mind still goes back to earlier today……the posters are getting interesting……..
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That’s interesting. I did not read into that a suggestion to assassinate anyone. They seem to be very careful about anything that might cause them liability. They also seem very heavy handed, abrasive, and accusatory with their moderation. They could have said something like, “I’m sorry but this had to be removed because it might be interpreted by someone to mean………. and we have to be cautious because of liability. I got the same abrasive treatment and decided I may agree with them politically, but I sure like most liberals more than them.
“As they question Zimmerman, police say the list of items allegedly taken from the home is shrinking as the Deans now report they’ve found the television in another location.”
It was Shellie’s mom that made the report items were stolen and accused GZ, right?
Right.
I wondered why we haven’t been hearing more about that. Anything that makes George look bad is all over the news. I hope he can resist letting all the directed toward him from causing him to hate.
Heck as long as they continue to pay filling fees, it might help pay for the costs for filling a case against Zimmerman to begin with. Funny though! LOL!
WTH?
One week prior to Miriam Carey being shot to death in DC here sister presented a $54,000 check to Sybrina Fulton and the trayvon Martin foundation
Channeling something Froggieleggs said yesterday about talking about past things and how they change the future or did they? How is this for a metaphor,
George Zimmerman not above the law, Angela Corey is, to the tune of $5M “Isn’t that ironic? Angela Corey can fire an employee for obeying a court order that demands they testify truthfully, but a Florida resident can’t use the self defense law in his favor when he shoots someone who is beating him up?” http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981958820
Its interesting this claim so early by her lawyers because it is an admission of sorts that there was a wrong. I know her lawyers are framing it different to try to get a judge to drop the case but in essence her arguments is I may have done things wrong but I have immunity and you can’t touch me.
To me that they went directly to the only argument that can keep her out of hot water is telling, this should have been a last resort type of argument and it makes trying to make other arguments in her defense useless.
boricuafudd – I wonder if we will find out WHAT the investigator finds out while investigating Kruidbos’ claim? . Under the whistle blower act, they appoint investigators, to investigate the claim. Seems a little incestuous since it falls under Governor Scott & I am less than hopeful that it will be objective, I hope I am wrong.
Yes, and usually this is a good lithmus test of the political support of the person. In this case the State is in a pickle any unfavorable conclusion almost guarantees the State will have to shell out big $ for BK and possible sanctions as well.
IIRC, and I may be thinking of another case, but, the lady who was fired and suing state because of getting fired, the one that Wesley White worked with. IIRC, the state hired an independent attny to represent the state, AND IMMEDIATELY like few days, found exculpatory evidence that the State HAD NOT TURNED OVER and contacted the counsel and did so. I hope that this would happen in this case also. Seems there are a lot of cases pointing to Corey and her minions not being up to the sniff test. I am sure there are a lot of good, hardworking and honest people there, and hoping that they can bring this corruption into the open. Look at BK, he knew he had legit fears, that didn’t happen over night and I think that they have opened a can of stink bait and the smell has drawn some critters to dig around and find out what the smell is all about…
Don’t ask me how I got on David Horowitz’s mailing list — I don’t remember, and usually didn’t open the e-mails. But I felt compelled to open the one with the heading “introducing TruthRevolt”. I’m guessing the reasons why I was susceptible to a name like that is the same reason this thing was created, because the content of the e-mail was right in line.
Nettles, please delete this is posting the content of the e-mail is inappropriate.
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Very interesting, there had been many organizations in the past that attempted this but with diminishing returns as more of the populace just did not care enough to follow through. Even today the most successfully active organizations do not target sponsors because of this. They instead try to influence the lawmakers and recruit the young, establishing people who will continue their policies.
But then this is what they have to deal with, and I don’t know if anything can change that:
I don’t know if anything can change that:
Change will require a revolution, maybe an armed one… IDK but until citizens begin to rebel, we have no chance for change.
I got that, too. I used to follow Horowitz. His parents were hard core Communists and he understands the far left better than most conservatives. I have read several of his books. He’s a very good writer. I particularly liked his book describing how he dealt with cancer and the possibility of death. I didn’t like the conclusion he came to, but I like the way he expressed his expreience.
They were shooting for 1000 signatures for the Ritz thing the first day of their launch, and got 4000. I figure they will get more.
Thank you, Jordan! A triple-play on words (Sharpton’s Crackers ;-)) is not a common thing. I can still eat Cheez-Its, though, right?
I’m a little nervous about what else TR might end up doing, but this first move seems straightforward and justifiable imo.
You really go all out. We just go on a trip. We usually visit the kids over Halloween.
me?
Sorry I confused the thread flow. I meant to be replying to Jordan’s post above mine.
Well, while you guys have been blogging away, I put up this year’s Halloween decorations. A bit of whimsey. Here is a video of my home decorated. PLEASE turn up your sound and make sure sound is up on the video, go full screen HD … enjoy !!!
Have yall seen this from Monday nite 10/7/13 Megyn Kelly new show. SMH. Oh and the sister Valerie is the one whos group gave the TM Foundation the $57000.
mimi – MOM wrote a good opinion piece on this story & it seems it is MOM’s opinion that excessive force was used by LE. Her car had crashed, she had gotten out of the car to run on foot & was shot several times. In your video, they will explore how many times she had been shot, etc.
From MOM’s Blog:
Did D.C. Police Show a Lack of Restraint in the Shooting of Miriam Carey?
Even though Ms. Carey set this chain of events in motion and is ultimately responsible for the consequences, the lack of restraint by law enforcement has lead to the loss of yet another life and it’s left a 1-year-old child without her mother
It seems the family may have a case, imo, it seems she could have been shot in the leg or legs to prevent her from running, LE knew she had a child in the car but the child was free from harm at that point, LE could see her hands as she ran, she didn’t have a weapon visually apparent to them that she could have possibly used. This doesn’t seem to be a civil rights case in which the families lawyer specializes, but maybe better judgement could have been used as MOM suggests.
Geeeeeeeeeeeez Louise, there are so many “mentally ill” people that are functioning minimally it seems but what can be done? Obamacare isn’t going to make a big difference in their lives imo, Aaron Alexis the DC Navy yard shooter was said to be “delusional,” James Holmes from the Colorado Movie Theater tragedy suffered from mental illness to name just 2. Obama/Holder want to blame guns on everything, but it seems MENTAL ILLNESS is rampant & sadly, I don’t see how interventions can be done BEFORE someone or many are killed.
Art- You are right the police and secret service who also were in hot pursuit showed incredible lack of restraint, even considering that it is the Capital. I will say this in their defense, there was no way for them to know if the lady was a suicide bomber and failing to get to the WH was running to another target. Trying to shoot someone in the foot or legs would have still left her the ability to detonate a vest had she one, not that shooting a running person in the leg is probable.
There are several things wrong with the mental health system, in this country and also in Europe. Laws that were passed to protect the mentally sick, their advocates, lawyers and others makes care for them extremely difficult. We have done away with the ability to care for the mentally ill in facilities and in lot of cases just house them in prison. As prisons have become the Institutions of care for the mentally ill around the country.
boricuafudd – I am not advocating for Miram but I do agree w/MOM & I see your point that LE didn’t know if she could have possibly had the ability to detonate a vest etc.
Remember when the Boston Bomber that survived hid in a boat in a couples back yard? When LE found him, the boat was shot over 80 times & the boat was destroyed, the City DIDN’T OFFER to replace the families boat. Someone started a “GO FUND” account on the story & it raised over $ 40,000.00 for the family to buy a used boat just like the one they had. The family was thrilled/touched by the kindness of those that donated to replace their boat.
The reason I mention this is because shooting a boat over 80 times seems excessive, LE had infrared to show exactly where he was lying in the bottom of the boat, imo, I hope Miram wasn’t shot excessively but the autopsy report will come out.
Sorry, I did not mean to give the impression that I was advocating for either side. I just pointing out the circumstances at that time and that the LE had seconds to decide. Had Myriam stop running what would have happened, IDK.
There was a time when the police would have hesitated because she was a woman with a child, now, they just reacted. I try to put myself in the situation and I think I would have not shot her, but in the heat of moment, I can’t say for sure. The world has changed so much in a lot of regards, we have lost our innocence and confidence because of it.
boricuafudd – I too don’t think I would have shot her either but IDK, MOM pointed out in the opinion piece in this case & also the case of the biker attack, that these events happen so quickly, under pressure & stress that only when looking back at the event, we can analyze & see how things might have been done differently, BUT, he too points out, there wasn’t time for those involved.
Sadly, that is the crux of it all. A tragedy anyway you look at it, not to belabor on the LE but I think many are feeling very shitty right now, even if they believe they acted correctly.
Art- Here an article defending the LE he makes some good points but I am still not sure.
What is the truth? Did they remove the child first before shooting her?
I had a lot going on the day of this going on so didn’t follow it closely. Just thought it odd that first thing the family did was hire a Civil Rights Attny. Hindsight as they say is 20/20. And I am just talking off top of my head, so I may be out of line, not knowing a lot of the circumstances of that day, I think it was Dec that the lady told LEO that had been called, by childs father? that she made weird stmnts about Obama monitoring her and such. From lil I know it was bizarre what went on that day and who knows if she was shouting delusional stuff. IMHO Mental Illness is like so many other things, always been there, but once you become aware of things, you see it more. There are so many diff kinds of Mental Illness, if you will. And sadly there is so much stigma attached that some do not seek help because of it. I would say more often than not, people who bitch about others having, themselves have some form and just wont admit. Also, sometimes family or those close to an individual are in denial. As in this case, I heard at first the Mother of the lady said she was suffering from PPD. Then the family said no she wasn’t then LEO reports from Dec… Its evident the lady had mental issues. Could have been a much worse situation. Also I would venture to say there is no way for them to know she didn’t have a bomb on her or in her veh. And just because she had her baby with her doesn’t mean she didn’t. I mean look how she was acting, with her baby in there.
I better jump down from my soap box because I could go on and on. But again, I just thought it odd, and sadly par for the course it seems these days about the selection of legal representation acquired.
The Sandy Hook Shoot was a high function guy with Autism. It was not the Autism that was responsible for his mental illness. The mental illness was a separate issue. He was another with delusions and mental illness.
ROFLMAO! What the Hell is he talking about cutbacks (on his SS and Medicare?) SS Checks HAVE NOT BEEN CUT BACK… BUT if he owes student loans and doesn’t pay, yep NOW they can deduct from SS. MOOCH!!!
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I believe George Zimmerman’s parents are seeking donations because they had leave their home after Roseanne Barr tweeted their address. I think they’ve probably also been helping George financially. I don’t understand why they can’t sell their house, though. They said they’re staying mostly in hotels. It seems that over a long period of time it would be less expensive to rent an apartment and/or sell the house and buy another one.
PO – Aren’t GZ’s parents both retired & draw their retirement checks monthly? I too thought they had rented their family home to renters & are themselves renting. Nettlepedia would know for sure but they are not penniless as GZ was, they had monies coming in from their retirements.. They could have sold their house, I guess they chose not to maybe hoping to return to it.
The could not sell their house as it was used as collateral for the bond.
boricuafudd – I had forgotten about that, so I assume they now can sell their home if they decide to.
Yes, in this market though, it would be difficult and may cost them money. For example the condo’s that GZ rented were originally sold for $240,000 to start, you can now buy them for under $100,000. Now I know that may not affect the Zimmermans but the depression in prices certainly would.
boricuafudd – you’re right about the housing market, a good reason GZ’s parent’s may decide not to sell their home & something that never crossed my mind, but a sad reality.. Hopefully the market improves, but it could be years. I have a second home which is paid for I would like to sell but the real estate agent said it would sell for 20 to 25,000.00 less than its worth because of the housing market. I too am just going to keep the home until the market gets better.
Yes, it may take years but eventually they will rise. The problem for many is that they overpaid to begin with, the market was overpriced. Homes were selling for twice and even thrice their actual value, a correction was bound to occur. Just no one expected it to be that bad.
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Unfortunately, we have no retirement that can be ‘cashed in’. Additionally, we can do nothing with our house because it is collateral for George’s bond. We must pay a mortgage, taxes, insurance, utilities, HOA fees, and other expenses for a house we’re unable to live in. We must also pay for where we are currently staying.
Other family members, who we are also attempting to help, have been forced to leave their employment and relocate. As we have always done, we will continue to assist our children in any way possible.
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Thanks Mimi, that was a point I made on the other thread as well.
LOL thanks Bori, yes you nettles and I were on same page. Sorry for duplicate post here and other thread. Just wanted to post for the person who was commenting about it here. I will take that discussion back on other thread 🙂
That is OK, I think that thread is too long a new one is needed if Nettie wants to continue.
I made a 2nd one.
Thanks! Always on the ball.
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Hold down the ALT button and press the number 3 on the numerical keypad (doesn’t work using the 3 on the top row of a keyboard.
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Thank you! I’ve been looking for this comment since someone brought up the family should sell their home. I read it at the time and I couldn’t find it here to show what he had said about that.
Note the date! The day the treehouse got the email from our anonymous sender. LOL
LMBO I posted same thing to you on other thread!!! just saw had comment light LOL. I will go back with my comments on this on other thread, just wanted to post for the person who commented. I am looking for something else I saw yesterday.
I found this link and would like to share. It is confusing to me STILL how GZs case became a race case, a case against self defense SO EASILY. I really wish I could have found more blogs that discussed the right to self defense. I feel if there was more focus on that right the race baiters on both sides would not have had a leg to stand on. Those being critical of MOM defending his clients use of deadly force may have bee a lil more ashamed to just focus on the black vs. white issue. Being that self defense has faced and contiunes to face such scruitiny and many places have no or little legal precedence I really wish we could have helped GZ and all others who had to face being branded a murderer!
When we look back at what happen, how the case was turned into first, one of racial profiling and the second one against self-defense. One has to really look at the circumstances on the ground, in Sanford. These facilitated the both the original outrage and lent it the feeling that it was racial. Second, it is also important to keep in mind that Trayvon’s family was connected with the civil rights groups that provided some of the money and organization to maintain the protest and transform the case. The CTH while they did talk some about the Masonic group that TM’s father belonged to, mostly in a mocking faction failed to realize that there are many professional black people, and that they have political clout in especially in Florida which has the most members it is not a weekend party for those involved.
New video of NYC motorcycle road rage attack shows men kicking SUV driver!
As for the police officers who were part of the motorcycle group, Miller said a detective has come forward, and another police officer is getting ready to come forward.
“There are two other police officers who were in the ride,” Miller said. “So the police department has not actually sat down and done the Q and A with all of them. So this picture is unfolding more slowly than investigators would like.”
imo, I do not believe the video camera conveniently “ran down” during the event. I too question WHY it took these officers, after lawyering up to try to save their jobs, 3-4 days to come forward IF they had done nothing wrong. I read somewhere, they had 24 hrs. to come forward. I think there were 5 officers there including the undercover, 2 detectives, & 2 beat cops, also participating were wardens that worked in the local prison system which may or may not be obligated to come forward, IDK.
Undercover cop seen on video attacking SUV!
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the video shows the undercover officer banging on the rear window and shattering it. The victim is then seen being pulled out of the car and the undercover rides off, sources say.
Sources say the undercover was not truthful with investigators about his role. A law enforcement official said Tuesday that investigators are considering criminal charges against him.
This account was first published in the New York Post and confirmed by WNBC, the NBC owned-and-operated station in New York.
This guy has gotten desk duty & is being paid, imo, he should have been fired immediately!
If all this is true, it is beyond disgraceful. I need more info. Remember we can’t always trust the media etc to give us all the facts!
winsome – up thread there are a lot of videos showing the attack as well as links, more videos have been turned in to LE, this video of the “undercover cop” was discovered on Monday night from one of those turned in. Investigators are going through those videos now. This video of the Und. Cop breaking out a window in the range rover is, imo, the reason he waited 4 days to admit he was there bringing along his attorney.
I wonder what the excuses will be for all the other LE officers were that n didn’t man up until days later too, another Detective is supposed to turn himself in today.
I saw the videos, bad stuff. And if true about “undercover cop” even more revolting. Looks like a real can of worms. Still want to wait for more facts too. I’ve gotten very paranoid now about believing everything I hear and only half of what I see 🙂
I wonder what they were undercover about….that in itself could tell something possibly, if they were undercover at the time. It could mean they were undercover.. as their line of work, or undercover working a case. So as far as the undercover not coming forward… that could not be a total truth. Behind scene LEO may have had to figure out something. Horrible situation no matter. **I have a very good friend who son is/was SWAT and does a lot of stuff undercover. He has been right up under their nose, so to speak in public and they not even know it was him. Very scary line of work. Bobbie and her husband are proud of him, but hate it because of so much he goes thru he cant share with anyone. It cost him his marriage and they still love one another much, but so many demons I guess,
And yep WINSOME… we have learned over the years about believing stuff we read / hear huh lol. Especially now days where fakes make it look so REAL. SMH
I certainly agree and police officer who participated in the violence should have the book thrown at him. They should be promoting law and order not contributing.
I saw another video that begins earlier before this, in this video you can see how the riders would drive up to a car and force them to the side which other motorist were doing. When they got to the SUV, who was in the middle lane some riders ride ahead to try to pull him to the right, then more riders come up on both side of the SUV. It appears that someone in the back of one of the bikes throws a water bottle at the SUV which hits the SUV and sails over it. The SUV seems to pick up speed until he was surrounded again, this time as you can see in the video the rider slows down and is bumped by the SUV. The SUV driver slows down and pulls to the right and he is swarmed by other riders who are hitting the SUV and slashing his tires. At this point it appears as if he panics, he tries to veer to the left and avoid the other riders but runs over a rider and some bikes which were parked in front of him to keep him from leaving.
In the CBS video the rider that was taping, says he saw a water bottle being thrown out of the SUV, like out of the sunroof, the video that had been posted on YouTube actually shows what appears to be a bottle being thrown at the SUV and bouncing over the vehicle.
Good they have actual video about the water bottle. Really not too believable that a man with family in car would try to provoke a huge bunch of bikers…
There lots of different footage, the original video from the rider on CBS was not the only one with helmet cam, some is out there but most have been deleted but the police appear that they have them.
Bori, didn’t you say that was your old stomping ground? Or did misread that. If you are familiar with this type of huge biker group, how in the world do they get a way with breaking so many laws, stopping traffic etc. OK, call me naive… I’ve lived in large cities before, but never seen anything like this.
Could be a reason for undercover cops being there? Just brainstorming, not making any judgment. Seems some of these guys have some pretty shady pasts. I am curious….
Mimi I’m curious too. Strange that there were so many cops in the group… We’ll be hearing more I’m sure, but maybe not all the details we’d like.
That’s what I am thinking too…
Some time back the bikers would request a permit from the city and they would even provide them with Motorcycle cops to escort them and clear the path. But as may have seen from the videos the riders were disruptive, dangerous and caused accidents with both pedestrians and other vehicles. The city was being held liable and was sued successfully on several occasions.
The permit were restricted and some bike clubs were even banned from entering the city. The bikers that caused the problems usually were affiliated with any club but they got the blame nontheless. So they started gathering and doing without permits or escorts. But they had to gather further away and stay away from city streets to avoid getting arrested or fined.
So now they just stay on the highways ride around the island of Manhattan and stay away from the city streets, but even on the highways they are disruptive and the areas where they gather downright dangerous.
Thanks Bori. Really a good explanation of the problem. Just the number of bikers all riding together, make it a dangerous situation. And when tempers flare between the motorists and bikers, bad things are going to happen – scary.
Yes, which was the reason the city stopped sanctioning them. And it was scary, I recall almost getting run over by the bikers before the ban.
boricuafudd – I didn’t believe the water bottle was thrown from Mr. Lien’s sunroof, I thought at first the biker lied, but maybe he didn’t see the water bottle thrown by another biker because the one that threw the water bottle was most likely behind him, R, he could still be lying. Yu are right, there are several videos & more will be coming out.
I can’t believe how stupid some of the bikers were to POST the videos to you tube, copied by some that watched & I would think forwarded to Investigators BEFORE they could be taken down by the bikers.. I think too several videos were taken of the Good Samaritan & the beating by on lookers & those screaming at the bikers to stop the beating. Investigators said “they have a lot of videos turned into that they are pouring over.”
It looks like what has been approved is mostly cosmetic so far. But never fear the lawmakers are known for making things worse.
Well the did manage to prevent trayvon from claiming stand your ground by eliminating the inital agressor clause
I thought of that too. They’d have to make getting out of your car or keeping an eye on a person you think is suspicious an act of aggression. Good luck with that.
*to make GZ the initial aggressor.
Interesting – Maybe they are actually improving the law 😉
I realize the legislators are under a lot of pressure to do something but acting on the wrong perceptions of the case is a recipe for further problems. For instance, without defining what is the “initial aggressor” in a objective manner this could be trouble.
Any restrictions of Constitutional rights to NW will not pass muster. Then there is the delusion that the SPD said it could not investigate because of the law which was never said but it was believed by the Trayvots, even addressing this only gives credence to them.
Bori, couldn’t agree with you more.
I take issue with the way this is worded, Zimmerman said he followed Trayvon Martin as the teen walked back to the condo where his father was staying. The two confronted one another, with fatal results.”
Zimmerman only followed far enough to see which way Martin was going and then couldn’t see him until he surprised him with a sucker punch. That’s not exactly the two confronting one another with fatal results. The “confrontation” happened close to Zimmerman’s vehicle. If he’d followed Martin home, it would have been closer to Martin’s house.
Update on Kruidbos case: 12 — 10/8/2013
10/8/2013
STIPULATION FOR SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL ROBERT RIEGEL JR., VANESSA HODGERSON AND FOWLER WHITE BOGGS
captain – I looked up the “legal definition” because I wasn’t sure of exactly what it meant”
Definition:
This means that you are agreeing to release your counsel from the case. Many attorneys will ask for this if you are not paying your bill, or you are not getting along. If you do not sign this, then they have to ask the court to be relieved as counsel.
Just checked the docket in both Duval County where Angela Corey is based and Volusia County where Shiping Bao worked and nothing has been filed on behalf of Dr Bao
That was very cruel. He’s getting death threats. Seems the media should be talking about how immoral death threats are instead of stirring things up and turning a blind eye to death threats. It’s almost as though death threats have become socially sanctioned.
In an interview Thursday, Jenkins said she posted the picture to make a point about racism, not to single out Barnes.
^Highly suspect. He should go after Red Lobster to investigate who could have accessed that receipt and examine all of those people’s handwriting. Her weird statement here makes it look like the waitress did it herself, or was in on it.
Sounds like Ophrah Winfrey’s little stunt to convince people racism still exists. She made up a story.
It’s a little like Oprah’s stunt.
LMAO! PO ~ the first “racism stunt” Oprah pulled was about the “Hermes Shop” in St. Bart’s in the French West Indies several years ago, though it is true that I didn’t see any A American’s on my trip there to vacation, it’s mostly inhabited byh French. She claimed they locked the store so she couldn’t get in which is laughable. The rumor died down quickly the first time.
This last claim back fired in her face & she was taken to taken to task by the shop owner/sales person that all but called her a “liar.” Oprah’s credibility was on the line much to her surprise I bet. Conveniently the “Butler” was about to be released & probably a publicity stunt imo. ,
New thread is not working, Nettles.
Perhaps starting a new thread of what’s on your mind might help. It gets confusing when it is too long. Maybe “What’s on your mind, October 9” tomorrow.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll put a new thread up later tonight.
This one “Test Audio Posts”?
It was a test thread. I suspect Nettles wanted to, uhmm, test something and deleted it after she was done.
Got it
Coreshift, you are a very smart fella!
I have looked and can not find… 😦
Someone commented (mimi?) one one of these threads about SD not letting the GZ case go…and mentioning the closing of the TM foundation.
Can someone point me to that comment?
You’ll find it on the bottom of the Email II thread.
Thanks.
Nettlepedia ~ I have enjoyed all the topics shared on this thread, THANKS for being so creative, PLEASE CONSIDER continuing the thread as well as a GZ thread..
I didn’t get caught up in the “email thread” nor keep up w/all the events that it encompassed while it was going on nor now, I mainly stuck to the facts in the case, not speculation & opinions offered by SD at the TCH & left there early on due to the attitudes of many especially about MOM which I thought was STUPUID since SD was NOT an attorney NOR were his “mods” that I am aware of. I had no respect for SD & his theories & didn’t waste my time there. Many seem certainly interested in unraveling all that happened about the “emails” which is their prerogative, I am just glad the trial is over & GZ is free. I too am glad GZ hasn’t been in the news except for the Dean’s finding some of the items they “accused” GZ of taking, which imo, was not a negative towards GZ but more of Dean’s ineptitude projected by their accusations.. jmho.
Thank you. It wasn’t my idea but the feedback I got from some who didn’t want to follow the email issue(s).
Being from another country, I largely ignore the political issues being posted but given your government is shut down right now, I get the need to talk of it. In furture, I hope politics is a topic we can stay away from. But it’s our blog so the wants and needs of everyone must be considered. We’ll have to practice tolerance with the topics of no interest to us and that include the admin. at this site 🙂
Nettles – the thread too imo, encompassed a lot more than politics, which is of interest to some, not so much others, I agree, politics/religions are volatile subjects many times. There are so many interesting cases & laws at issue curenbtly, I too enjoyed reading about personal experiences of our bloggers living in different cities, etc.
I too enjoyed the discussions on cases that MOM has opined on on his blog, It’s great imo that he is explaining legally the legalities of high profile cases in the news, he answers questions many of us have. Can’t believe he finds time to “opine” when he is so busy, lucky for us.
I’m enjoying the personal stuff some are sharing too. It’s nice getting to know more about the voices I’ve been talking to for over a year now.
Thanks so much for being a part of it.
What on my mind?
We should have this post every week!
I am feeling much better after my visit to the Drs. I will be finishing my round of prendisone and besides the side effects initially I can BREATHE finally after two months! I have to head back Friday to recheck lung function. I feel tight now and then but the wheezing is gone. I hate the Drs!
On another note the weather is getting cooler here in the East. We went from summer to fall lickity split. I ache everywhere. But I have to keep moving or I get stiff. If I move too much it hurts. My knee caps feel turned inside out. My arms ache,my back is killing me, & even my heels hurt. I do not take any narcotics. I really believe when we hurt our body tells us to pay attention. Sometimes though there is little you can do. But I will do what I can with a clear head.
So I am upping my B12 and streaching much more. I know it will not be immediate relief but it eventually helps. Most of my issues are from the Lyme Disease @ 13, over 25 yrs ago! and after all this time I have been pretty good. But getting older is not being so kind to Danny.
Thanks for hearing me complain!
I just want to put this here for now so we all remember these words. Reason being Sundance has halfed assed research skills and must read law like he does the bible (what applies to his wants)
“sundance says:
October 9, 2013 at 4:37 am
I don’t think VP knows the foundation is closed. 😉
It really only means in the eyes of the State and Federal IRS, the foundation as a corporation does not exist. It does however mean that their tax exempt status is also gone and they are accountable for taxes on anything the foundation has taken in”
To be continued…..
George Zimmerman focus of Anderson Cooper special!
George Zimmerman may be in for the satirical treatment from “South Park.” The Comedy Central series offers an episode called “World War Zimmerman” at
10 p.m. Wednesday (tonight).
But Zimmerman is getting the serious treatment, too. Anderson Cooper will present “Tragedy on Trial: The George Zimmerman Story” at 10 p.m. Sunday. The program is presented under the banner “Anderson Cooper Special Report.”
Yep. Some of the more affluent neighborhoods are collectively hiring private security through their neighborhood crime prevention councils. OPD is so understaffed and underfunded, thanks to the useless mayor and most of the council, that the cops are overwhelmed responding to priority calls, homicides and violent crime. Burglaries get a minimal response and street robberies are constant.
Berkeley cops are doing a good job tracking the thugs robbing folks so our thugs are using Oakland for business.
In my hood, we had another quiet summer, this is the 4th summer with only a handful of shootings, huge improvement. The west side of Berkeley is hosting most of the gang shootings, but one guy did get his brains blow out a few blocks from us. I am working on house repairs and remodeling projects, so spending less time on the internet.
Merritt Landry the guy that shoot the 14 year old professional thief teen, is facing some of the same problems that GZ faced. A politically based prosecution, this time led by the mayor of New Orleans who is a brother to Senator Mary Landrieu and who has aspirations at higher office.
On Sept.5th the New Orleans DA, was contemplating sending the case to the Grand Jury before proceeding but he said he needed 30 days to decide we are still waiting for his decision. Here is an update;
Bori- It is my guess that the biggest difference with the GZ and the Landry cases is that Sharpton and Jackson didn’t show up in NO demanding that Landry be arrested and jailed immediately because the shooting was racially motivated. It sounds like Landry thankfully has some strong voices on his side, including blacks. From what the article said he has the Home Defense Org. on his side. It appears they have some clout. Landry has much more support from the community and orgs. than GZ ever did.
Also, doesn’t Landry have a black guy who set up a donation site to help with Landry’s living expenses as he had to leave his home because of the incident. The media plays as much a role in destroying people’s lives as anyone else. They camp out at people like Landry’s home and make life miserable for everyone in the neighborhood, mostly with the accused.
That has been the dynamic so far, the prosecutor is also waffling. That area is a high crime area, there was a murder some houses down that very same night.
I just wanted to point out the political issue, which is playing a big factor on the case.
There is another difference, and that is the blacks in the area support the man who shot the teen.
They are tired of the violence, but it is not all blacks as there has been at least 3 large demonstrations against Landry. The last was the same day the article I link was posted. They have their own Sharpton wannabe stirring the pot. Maybe Mimi can tell us about him if she knows.
it is like one group pitting themselves against the other group.
The boy in question was already well known as a professional thief. His family need help coping because they lost their husband and father, meaning that the boy in question was out of control since his father died. The brother was not coping well with the extra responsibility. HOWEVER, I note that the brother wants Landry charged over the incident.
Just found more of Crump’s handiwork. On the Dade County Family Court docket all documents regarding paternity actions and child support demands filed against Tracy “Fruit” Martin are completely redacted.
They have to protect the image they created, the lie must live on.
Hey, a new thread. 1st.
Does this mean we broke the old one?
No, it means I’m nettles posting using a sock account. 🙂 Can’t be first on a new thread otherwise. #Joking
How do I know you are not a nettles sock puppet? For all you know I am a sock puppet!!
Amazing how much we don’t know haha.
+1
🙂 Yes, we simply do not know 🙂
I am Nettles # 3. Nettles #1s favorite! 😛
ROFL and yes I like talking to you and to Bori as well as Nettles. 🙂 😉
No, you are #6, #6.
: – )
You are always first!
It is glorious here! Lower 80’s and got to sleep with windows open. I go back to work tomorrow for the first time in 5 weeks so I am excited about that and a little apprehensive, too. Starting with 4 hour shifts to make sure I don’t hurt myself.
Best of luck to you tomorrow! I hope your recovery continues to go well. ♥
Yes, good luck going back to work, and with recovery.
Ditto, one time to remember, don’t over do it on the first day. Congrats.
So glad to hear from and for the upbeat update.
Good luck debfromhell returning to work, smart to start off in short shifts.
WOO HOO good luck! We have had low 70’s and 60’s so open window time too!
Well, how did it go? How did you make out?
Not so good. I was doing fine until a HUGE* server and I passed each other. His hand landed right on the incision. That one put me in half. 😎 so I didn’t go in today. Damn the bad luck. I am feeling more “movable” this after noon and may make a try at a couple more hours tomorrow. I am scheduled off but I am great at begging!
*HUGE = 6’4″ weight lifter named Samson (true story on name. LOL. He must have been a big baby, too) His arms are bigger than my thighs and that is saying something!!!
Sorry to here about that, hang in there. Those darned bodybuilders! LOL! Feel better!
We have beautiful sunny weather over here. Of course we are heading into summer.
Beautiful cooler fall weather here in TX, but it probably won’t last. Sometimes we wear shorts at Christmas… hey probably the same there, right? 😉
Yes 🙂 most of the time. However, we have also experienced many a cool and rainy Christmas over here, and that includes in Canberra, Melbourne, Sydney and the Central Coast. However, in Townsville it was a very warm day 🙂
winsome – I am in La., it is cooler here too & we had some rain last week, I agree, it won’t last! The thing I dislike about living in the South is that we don’t truly have the changes in the season, it’s hot or cold, lol.
You got that right. I love the 4 seasons I’ve enjoyed in other parts of the world… all except the snow shoveling 🙂
there are 2 seasons that I dislike – winter and summer. The reasons are different as to why i do not like those seasons.
In north of Australia there are only 2 seasons – wet and dry. I hated the wet season because it was very painful. I loved the dry season up north and got in a lot of early morning swimming 🙂
My oldest daughter was 14 when we went. We were there for about three weeks during December and January. We started in Sydney, on to the Outback (Alice Springs and Ayes Rock), then to Cairns for some diving on the Great Barrier Reed and a visit to the Daintree Rainforest. I may have left out a few places but we left from Melbourne.
The weather was perfect everywhere we went….but it was a little warm in the Outback. What a great experience for my daughter. IIRC, December and January are summer months for you. I do not recall any rain until we got to Melbourne.
yes, December, January and February are our summer months. It can get very hot in March, and the warm weather continues through April.
The wet season covers September through to May. You can get all sorts of weather in that season including cyclones. They are not fun.
We have 4 seasons here in my Arkansas. Shoot, sometimes even within the same Month, have had in same week! Sayin goes here, if you don’t like the weather, just hang around! 🙂
LOL, we say the same here. Sometimes changes can be pretty drastic in the same day. Usually depends on which way the wind blows :-).
In Melbourne we used to have 4 seasons in one day!!
Once upon a time in NC we actually had spring and fall.
Now we have summer, winter, and yellow.
(pine pollen)
Ha, we have that yellow one here too. From pollen, and the color of lots of faces (people suffering from awful allergies)!
Okay…something light….. This is suppose to be a joke on the “Rules of Washington”
But, I changed the title.
Sundances MOD Rules……
1. If it’s worth fighting for, it’s worth fighting dirty for.
2.Don’t lie, cheat or steal…unnecessarily.
3.There is always one more son of a bitch than you counted on.
4. An honest answer can get you into a lot of trouble.
5. The facts, although interesting, are irrelevant.
6.Chicken little only has to be right once.
7.”NO” is only an interim response.
8.You can’t kill a bad idea.
9.If at first you don’t succeed, destroy all evidence that you ever tried.
10.The truth is a variable.
11. A porcupine with his quills down in just another fat rodent.
12. You can agree with any concept or notional future option, in principle, but fight implementation every step of the way.
13.A promise is not a guarantee.
15. If you can’t counter the argument, leave the meeting.
15. Should be
If you can’t counter the argument, keep comments in moderation
10.The truth has no agenda, but it is a variable.
++++
Those really are the rules everyone on the Hill and other elected officials elsewhere follows.
I have not not had any dealings with Sun Dance. If this is true, I am disappointed. I was quite impressed with al the things he wrote about truth and I was glad when I discovered he was trying to help GZ win the case. I found a couple of women in the Treehouse group to be rude and abrasive but never had any interaction with Sun Dance.
My purpose is not to bash SD. I make fun sometimes because he runs his blog like a dictatorship.
Personally, I feel SDs shortcomings are the very things he preaches against. He is intellectually dishonest. He played his viewers for fools. He treated people very unchristian like, and he road the coat tails of GZ, his family and friends. He created a conspiracy surrounding MOM and caused a fraction in the supporting group. He attempted to bankrupt the legal fund and I feel defamed many along the way on his quest for Truth which is nothing more then selfish gain.
I personally never had dealings with SD either. Other then what has been hashed out publicly so I have no personal vendetta against him at all. My purpose is to expose ALL of the lies, corruption, and railroading. Sadly it includes exposing supporters (which really were not supporters when you really look @ it). Just Wolves in Sheeps clothing.
That’s interesting that you say “supporters which were not supporters but just wolves in sheep’s clothing.” I emailed that site a couple of times with questions about the best way to donate to George’s security needs after the trial. It was Sharon who responded both times. I got the impression both times that there wasn’t much real concern about George or burning desire to help someone contribute to his security. I was puzzled and hoped I was wrong.
I think MANY had the same impression as you. But there has been numerous times after the MOM bashing party began Mods. there have said their interest was not GZ but to expose BGI which in their minds included MOM. So in other words if the GZ ended up in jail for 25 yrs. or was murdered it mattered none to them. In fact it would have supported their agenda!
Wow! That’s frightening. Seems dangerous. I was puzzled by the negative things said about O’Mara. I thought he did an excellent job and he did get an acquittal. I was disappointed he dropped George after the trial, but that’s his right. I think the fact that O’Mara is so liberal and sensitive to issues such as profiling helped him win the case.
I noticed in a different threat that someone said Sundance lives in Florida. We came so close to buying a house there.
This is all interesting and disappointing.
Another thought is that I was at first puzzled at the name “Treehouse Conservatives” and their description of the site as a retreat for the last ragtag conservatives and discussion of how all of them seemed to not be treated well because of their conservatism. I’m conservative but don’t feel a need for a retreat.
The quick story behind why the owners of the blogs named it that was because prior to the CTH they posted @ various blogs owned by others. They really were extreme of politicals and caused contentions. So they got band. One of them opened a WP and without noticed closed it down because some were attacking part of the group who stayed @ those other blogs, suppose it was an issue of loyalty. Those “some” are the current owners of TCTH. Hence “ragtag bunch of misfits”. They have a history of being very loyal to each other and very very closed minded. To tell you the truth I have no clue how they have made it in the real world!
DannyWarrior,
I am having trouble answering posts. I get them in my email but when I click “reply” in the email, it just takes me to the thread and I have trouble finding the message I want to respond to.
I’m responding your message: “The quick story behind why the owners of the blogs named it that was because prior to the CTH they posted @ various blogs owned by others. They really were extreme of politicals and caused contentions. So they got band. One of them opened a WP and without noticed closed it down because some were attacking part of the group who stayed @ those other blogs, suppose it was an issue of loyalty. Those “some” are the current owners of TCTH. Hence “ragtag bunch of misfits”. They have a history of being very loyal to each other and very very closed minded. To tell you the truth I have no clue how they have made it in the real world!”
Thank you. You cleared up some confusion for me. That’s one more thing that I no longer have to ponder. LOL
I did pick up on their loyalty to each other. I certainly noticed some were abrasive to me even in responding to my email about how to donate to GZ’s security. Thought maybe it was my imagination or that Sharon just didn’t like me.
This is funny, in a lot of ways. I feel your pain. I have been working on this 1990 LOL
Are you on a Mac? if so, what OS do you use… AND what web browser are you using?
I will try to help… no promises because there is no simple solution. I use Snow Leopard but I have to use 3 web browsers.. Safari, Firefox and Opera. These browsers are all fickle and moody.
Are you using Yahoo email? If so, we are in crisis mood. If you are, then you probably notice a major change yesterday… like.. where the hell are my incoming emails? I have received NONE from this site since I left today around 4:30 PM.
Danny has it correct. They were banned from Hillbuzz because of their attitude. It is why Kevin flushed them out.
Now consider this. Many contacted the CTH either publicly or privetly to donate to GZ. To also find out information that would help GZ. Instead of directing people to this fund, they were directed to donate to CTH for their efforts in exposing BGI. Not to keep a man safe. How does one ensure people will donate to their cause and not GZ. Lie about MOM having complete control of the donations. Lie about why this Atty. is representing GZ. Lie about his political and social affiliations. And then PROMISE you and only you can deliver the truth, and in the mean time string em along!
Wow!
In some ways they helped George and in other ways they hurt him. Doesn’t sound like it was his welfare they had in mind. They did do a lot of investigating and gave the information to the defense attorneys.
Jack Cashill sure seemed to trust them.
If they did lie about O’Mara, what happened to “The truth has no agenda?”
P.O.,
They did help GZ but just were not willing or maybe not capable of addressing all issues because they had their own agenda.
CTH has proven Truth does have an agenda!
I still like concept that the truth has no agenda. I also like what Churchill said about truth. I believe the truth does have no agenda. It’s like the scale for dieters. We may try to bend or stretch the truth when we record what we eat, but when we step on the scales, there it is, the truth. When it comes to more important world matters, God knows the truth. We may all have agendas, but the truth exists separate from all our agendas. It’s just there and God sees it just as it is.
I suppose the Treehouse agenda was fighting the BGI. The BGI is horrible only because they hurt innocent people and they hurt some individuals very badly. It’s difficult to be against the BGI without caring about those they hurt. I suppose it is possible to put one’s focus on either the ones hurt or on the BGI itself.
I shudder when I think about what they did to George, his family, and everyone near him. I don’t blame Shellie for wanting to separate herself from that burden. I just wish she’d be a little more careful about how she does it.
I don’t know if you read what I wrote in my blog regarding this issue but you can check it out. IMHO the issue is that we as society no longer believe in an universal truth, cultural relativism has made the truth; whatever you make of it. Here is a link, let me know what you think
I found this. Want to share.
It’s a lesson we learn early in life if we’re lucky: don’t assume! No matter how confident we are in our understanding of the issue. No matter how certain of another’s reasoning or motives. No matter how obvious the point may be to us. Effective communication is far more complicated and difficult than we think. With barriers like cultural differences, personal “filters,” different definitions, etc., it’s amazing that any of us ever understand one another. But these aren’t the most difficult obstacles. The biggest reason we aren’t able to hear what another is saying to us is simply… “fear!”
Oh, we may camouflage it behind anger, self-importance or any number of other false fronts, but at the root is fear. Fear of being “found out,” or of being disappointed, or of not getting what we want. It’s a powerful if crippling motivator. And most of us can summon up plenty of reasons why we shouldn’t take another at face value. Honest communication requires trust, and taking a risk. And we’ve been burned too many times. So we settle for safety, make the natural assumption, and run head-on into our own version of that pig as we journey down life’s highway!
There is a better way. A way that recognizes our similarities. That sees others as a source of community and healing. That looks past our own frustration and previous disappointments to explore the possibility that even a “stranger” may have something positive to say. The Apostle Paul described it in Corinthians, chapter 13. It’s the “higher way” of love. I almost hesitate to use that term these days because of the way our culture misuses it. But when you read Paul’s description, try substituting “maturity.” It’s a perfect fit. The risks are higher for this way of living, but so are the rewards.
Another (anonymous) writer cautions:
“To laugh is to risk appearing the fool. To weep is to risk appearing sentimental. To reach out for another is to risk involvement. To expose feelings is to risk exposing your true self. To place your ideas, your dreams before a crowd is to risk their loss. To love is to risk not being loved in return. To live is to risk dying. To hope is to risk despair. To try is to risk failure. But risks must be taken, because the greatest hazard in life is to risk nothing. The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing and is nothing. They may avoid suffering and sorrow but they cannot learn, feel, change, grow, love, live. Chained by their certitudes they are a slave, they have forfeited their freedom. Only a person who risks is free.”
That doesn’t mean we should be naive. It does mean we should be careful what we assume. Check it out. Give others the benefit of the doubt. And if someone shouts something unexpected at us, at least entertain the possibility that perhaps it may be more than a personal insult. Who knows, that approach could change our life.
By CAPT J. David Atwater, CHC, USN
At the end of the day, there are only two things.. LOVE AND FEAR.
Poor communication or the lack of it is the root of most problems.
jordan – & I always thought the 2 things were death & taxes, LOL.
We get to choose between LOVE AND FEAR.. not so for taxes and death.
I have been keeping up w/the assault on Mr. Lean in NY, he was driving his range rover w/his 2 yr. old in the back seat & his wife, they were just going to celebrate their anniversary when a biker pulled in front of the SUV & stopped, Mr. Lein’s car tapped the rear tire of the motorcycle & it was clearly unavoidable as the video showed. Many bikes were participating in this group & were circling Mr. Lein’s SUV, yelling, harassing, & swearing at him, knocking windows out, & he gunned the engine to get away from the attack. The bikers followed the SUV & forced it to stop, broke Mr. Lein’s window & pulled him out, 5-6 bikers beat him while surrounded by many more, he has black eyes & stitches in his face.. A biker was injured when Mr. Lein hit a biker to escape the attack & has 2 broken legs& may be paralyzed, & his wife has HIRED media whore Gloria Allred, I assume to try to get monies or she wouldn’t be involved. The injured man has his license REVOKED until 2017, no insurance, etc., but his fiance of 17 yrs. has whined what a great guy he is & great dad, he has gotten little sympathy from bloggers/public.
I LMAO when a blogger stated, “TOO BAD GZ wasn’t driving that Range Rover, he’d have put a stop to that attack by those bikers threatening violence against him & his family.” The blogger was absolutely right imo, many KUDOS went to the blogger that made the statement about GZ, the couple & their child were absolutely defenseless against the attack. Luckily, there are videos of the event since one of the bikers had a video camera on his helmet & put it on you tube. It helped LE make several arrest, many more are expected.
It is a curious event. Why would a biker turn over the video?
It was prolly evidence they were forced to turn over…..or the biker thought it was evidence against the SUV driver.
The video was posted on one of the bikers YouTube channel Michelinman900, in there there were other videos that showed the way they were behaving that day. It does not paint a good picture for them, here’s a link to those before they were taken down.
http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/the-footage-that-the-nyc-bikers-didnt-want-you-to-see-1435594427
Apparently, they did a similar thing earlier in the day with a different driver though it did not escalate like with the Range Rover.
Thanks bori!
It happen in my old backyard so you know I had to inquire. BTW packs of bikers have been a cause of problems for years in NYC, clogging traffic, causing accidents, and running people over. The police had cracked down hard on them, which just push them out further into the outer suburbs were this incident originated.
We do not have that kind of biker gangs in my parts. Usually they are riding in memory of someone fallen or collecting toys for kids.
In the city were owning a car is a luxury, bikes are the car for young people and many are reckless with them, especially when they get together in a group.
boricuadd – the thing is, the bikers had broken so many laws as you point out showing some riding on sidewalks while forcing pedestrians off.
A good Samaritan stepped forward that was on his way to church to get the 6 bikers off Mr. Lien, he also stated “one biker was trying to get at Mr. Lien’s wife but on lookers were screaming at them & they left. The good Samaritan was recognized for his bravery by politicians in NYC today, he took a big risk to get between the bikers trying to protect Mr. Lien, KUDOS to that brave man.
Yes the Samaritan took a big risk, getting involved, guess what he was another White Hispanic, too.
Here’s another post on the incident, with the video and stills. Very informative.
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/217012.php
nice find bori
Thanks, I don’t get to showcase my skills much, while waiting for Zim news. I think that talking about other subjects is a neat addition to this blog.
😀
boricuafudd – great links showing the circumstances. WHY did Cruz pull in front of Lien’s SUV to start with & stop knowing Lien would likely hit him or tap him in which Lien did?
I read that Cruz wanted to clear the street for the bikers to take over the road to do their stunts, but that doesn’t make sense SINCE Cruz is off his bike & approaching the SUV as well as many others.
Were they going to rob the Lien’s? Those that have been charged thus far have lengthy records INCLUDING Meses (sp?), the injured biker that had his license revoked. The DA to said most of the plates had been stolen & put on bikes they were trying to locate which was making it harder for to track down others.
There is an earlier video that shows how it got started trying to find it again, it has been deleted from YouTube. In it you can see how Mr. Lien first got involved, other cars were getting out of the way allowing the bikers to go through but Mr. Lien would not pull to the side like the others.
It was at this point when Cruz started to slow down, imo to force Mr. Lien to stop and pull to the side like everyone else had, then came the tapping of Cruz bike and the events that followed.
jordan2222 – the biker that had the video camera on his helmet put the videos on You Tube & they went viral, LE quickly were able t trace the videos back to the bike rider. I have read he turned the video over to LE, but not before they were posted to you tube.
The DA has said they have a lot mre videos now as well as still photos of the group.
Thanks Art. I am getting up to date.
Mr. O’Mara blogged about this case.
http://omaralawblog.com/index.php/8-blog/21-who-is-at-fault-in-the-new-york-biker-incident
now that was an interesting summary of the laws involved in the incident.
O’Mara knows his stuff.
Nettles – thanks for the link, I forget about MOM’s blog, he did a great on his contribution on this case. MOM pointed out the “fear factor,” Mr. Lien’s wife called 911 4 X’s in 9 minutes begging for help.
Did any go through?
Art and anyone else, if you are in NYC and in need of the police quickly, all you have to say is “Gun” involved and the response will amaze you. I have seen this person and my cousin who is a cop in NYC attests to this.
boricuafudd – a good tip about stating “gun involved,” no doubt a real emergency perceived by 911 & the call would be made a priority.
jordan2222 – yes, Ny’s 911 calls got through but we might never hear them since NY, like most states doesn’t Sunshine Laws.
Especially on an open investigation, that involves at least one undercover cop.. You can file a FOIA request and wait.
He posted another one today.
http://omaralawblog.com/index.php/8-blog/24-looking-at-the-new-york-biker-swarm-in-the-cold-light-of-day
Surprising that MOM missed the fact that this was no accident. Cruz purposely slowed down and caused a dangerous situation. He is not the police and has no right to forcibly stop a driver. In doing so, Cruz violated a number of laws. He caused the collision and it was no accident. Need to go back to this point, Mark.
Interesting case indeed. Been following as well.
I like the title of this thread. I wasn’t here when the disputes started. What’s on my mind is the safety of George Zimmerman and his parents. I’m very glad that he’s been out of the news for a week or two. I was hoping that would happen right after the trial, but it didn’t. Maybe we have the government shutdown to thank. I’m not happy about the shutdown but I’m glad the Zimmermans are out of the news. I’m wondering if George has a divorce attorney. I’m hoping he can stop Shellie from getting an insurance policy on his life since he has so many threats against his life.
That’s what’s on my mind…..aside from personal things which no one else would be interested in.
Yesterday was George’s 30th birthday and greetings and sarcastic tweets to him were trending on twitter.
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/309365-george-zimmerman-birthday-trends-on-twitter-draws-reactions/
How sad. I so hope he makes it through this.
I’m glad we haven’t heard anything from George also. It seems no news is good news, at least until lots of loose ends are cleared up. And if we ever do hear more from him, I hope it will be really good news that he is safe and happy. So many people will never know the true story of what he and his family have been through. It’s truly been an eye opener to me seeing how the media and public perception can be manipulated by unscrupulous lawyers and politicians.
It seems the longer he goes without talking, the more valuable his story is going to be.
Hang in there George!
It seems RZJr is out and about having some fun. Good for him. Maybe GZ isn’t too far behind in getting on with his life and enjoying it.
A day or two into the shutdown Eric Holder said that the George Zimmerman investigation is ongoing, and was not affected by the shutdown.
I’m not happy about the shutdown either. I was appalled that our 80-90 year old WWII vets were barred from the memorial built for them. I was appalled today to learn that an elderly couple, she 77, and he 80, were told by the Park Police that they had to leave their home they’ve owned and lived at for 40 years because of the shutdown. They are living at an ice cream store in town they’ve run for 35 years, and she forgot his jeans and undershirts, and had to spend money they don’t have to buy him more pants and shirts, because they were ordered out of their home. I’m shocked that the fisherman can’t fish the lakes and streams that are on federal property. The chartered boats that some make their living at taking people out deep sea fishing in Fla were barred from doing business.
Since everyone else is asking, who do you blame for the shutdown?
Congress
No, not the House, the Senate and especially Harry Reid.
Where is this story, minpin?
I was appalled today to learn that an elderly couple, she 77, and he 80, were told by the Park Police that they had to leave their home they’ve owned and lived at for 40 years because of the shutdown
It is Lake Mead
http://weaselzippers.us/2013/10/06/obama-nation-elderly-couple-tossed-out-of-home-theyve-owned-for-40-years-because-of-shutdown/
Thank you
Jay Leno had it about right –
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/leno-tears-into-obama-with-brutal-shutdown-themed-monologue/
I needed that!
Yeah…look @ THIS BS
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/04/judge-suspends-activity-in-fast-and-furious-case/?intcmp=obinsite
Funny how the “Shutdown” can shutdown a legitimate investigation of political wrongdoing but it can’t stop the waste of time political investigation of GZ. Priorities.
This should be a good time to evaluate and wipe out waste but no one cares
I think that is something the Democrats are aware of, that is why they are trying hard to make it as painful as possible, ridiculously so. Closing open air parks, museums, parts of the ocean, but the longer it goes the more it becomes clear the bloat of the government.
I heard a good one today-
The Spite House
rofl !
Interesting that the government shut down doesn’t stop Holder investigating Zimmerman but it has stopped the investigation of Holder’s fast and furious incident.
I can’t imagine what they could still be investigating at this point unless it’s the Scheme Team. Wishful thinking on my part.
Yes, wishful thinking. They could really do some good if DOJ would look into the real racism there.
I think Holder mostly wants to appease the NAACP by reassuring them he’s still investigating. They went through GZs life with a fine tooth comb several times and didn’t find anything they could use. He might be hoping Shellie will say something. Hard to tell.
Jeralyn at Talk Left wrote a blog post 4 days after acquittal when we learned Holder had set-up an email address to invite tips on Zimmerman. She said Holder was pandering.
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/7/17/1839/28488/Colo_News/DOJ-Trolling-for-Anti-Zimmerman-Tips
I was hoping someone would get George out of the country after the trial ….. at least long enough for the danger to pass. The justice department is doing nothing about the death threats but encouraging people to lie so he can press federal charges.
Pondering –
I take a slightly different tact on that.
I do not believe that Holder seeks to appease the NAACP, nor feels the need to appease.
On the issue of how the department applies civil rights laws, they seem to be on the same playbook.
I don’t think that the attorney general spends any time hoping that Shellie will or will not say something.
That whole aspect of the GZ case is now firmly in the bureaucratic grasp of justice department machinery and it will stay there until the bureaucracy releases it.
I do think he’s trying to appease the NAACP. I agree that they are on the same page, but Holder is limited in what he can do based on what evidence he can manufacture. He would love to be able to press federal charges. If he had the evidence to do it, he would have done it already. I don’t think he wants pressure from the NAACP.
As to Holder’s limitations on this case, I agree and believe that the eventual resolution will be nil. Any prosecutor wants to press charges if they have the evidence. As to timing, I have no idea.
Do you know how long can the investigation be kept open?
Not for sure, it all depends which offices within the department get involved. My judgement is that this is not a high priority, but that is just a guess.
Bottom line, it can stay open as long as they want it to stay open.
This is where congressional pressure can be useful. Members of congress routinely send letters to all different government agencies seeking action, clarification, or answers.
If George could find a member of congress to push resolution of this thing with the justice department that could speed things up.
There are different offices that get involved depending on the law and the political juice etc.
For example, to act or not to act on the GZ matter may involve questions of internal policy of when to proceed and not to proceed. Does proceeding ahead violate standing written policy, does not proceeding possibly create a future precedential roadblock.
Remember, that this is still a bureaucracy.
They can leave it open from now until the heat death of the universe.
That doesn’t mean they’re actually doing anything about it.
But anytime people start asking why Zimmerman isn’t doing Federal time yet, they can put them off by saying that the investigation is ongoing and that they can’t comment on the progress of ongoing investigations.
Hooson, I’ll disagree to some extent, the Justice Department would know after over a year of investigation if charges were possible, and would have been ready to proceed if that was the case.
The establishment of a hotline, just presents an excuse to delay any decision on how they will proceed as they have to run down any leads presented. IOW it is a delaying tactic, we must also remember that it was at the behest of several civil rights groups and congresswomen, besides the family, that they were involved in the first place.
The DOJ does not have the resources to investigate every time a request is made, so their involvement in this case is purposeful and will continue while it is advantageous. As with many other investigations that go nowhere, do not be surprised to learn a few years down the road that the investigation had been close for some time now.
Bori –
You may very well be right. We simply do not know what is going on behind the scenes. I don’t mean that in a conspiratorial manner, so my suppositions are very measured.
I do understand, I just feel that at this point and with consideration to what has happened and current administration, this is about optics. Again just an opinion derived from prior and current events.
The subtle irony of Angela Corey pleading immunity in a case where she sought to deny immunity to George Zimmerman!
My mind still goes back to earlier today……the posters are getting interesting……..
To say the least.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/06/campaign-contributions-recess-appointments-slated-for-supreme-court/?intcmp=latestnews
Can not wait for these rulings…..
Just when I was feeling good reading the news…..
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/04/judge-suspends-activity-in-fast-and-furious-case/?intcmp=obinsite
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That’s interesting. I did not read into that a suggestion to assassinate anyone. They seem to be very careful about anything that might cause them liability. They also seem very heavy handed, abrasive, and accusatory with their moderation. They could have said something like, “I’m sorry but this had to be removed because it might be interpreted by someone to mean………. and we have to be cautious because of liability. I got the same abrasive treatment and decided I may agree with them politically, but I sure like most liberals more than them.
“As they question Zimmerman, police say the list of items allegedly taken from the home is shrinking as the Deans now report they’ve found the television in another location.”
h/t to Darkman at TCTH.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/lake-mary-police-talk-to-george-zimmerman-about-reported-theft/-/1637132/22259964/-/kjj42u/-/index.html
It was Shellie’s mom that made the report items were stolen and accused GZ, right?
Right.
I wondered why we haven’t been hearing more about that. Anything that makes George look bad is all over the news. I hope he can resist letting all the directed toward him from causing him to hate.
wow this is some serious lunacy! http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Emergency_Motion_to_Amend_Jeb_Bush_in_Association_with_Person_of_Interest_8_26_13.pdf
Heck as long as they continue to pay filling fees, it might help pay for the costs for filling a case against Zimmerman to begin with. Funny though! LOL!
WTH?
One week prior to Miriam Carey being shot to death in DC here sister presented a $54,000 check to Sybrina Fulton and the trayvon Martin foundation
http://www.re-newsit.com/2013/10/miriam-carey-sybrina-fulton-accepts.html
Channeling something Froggieleggs said yesterday about talking about past things and how they change the future or did they? How is this for a metaphor,
https://twitter.com/shawnvincent/status/387263251278733312
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/311126-george-zimmerman-in-a-south-park-episode-world-war-zimmerman-to-premiere/
George Zimmerman not above the law, Angela Corey is, to the tune of $5M
“Isn’t that ironic? Angela Corey can fire an employee for obeying a court order that demands they testify truthfully, but a Florida resident can’t use the self defense law in his favor when he shoots someone who is beating him up?”
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981958820
Its interesting this claim so early by her lawyers because it is an admission of sorts that there was a wrong. I know her lawyers are framing it different to try to get a judge to drop the case but in essence her arguments is I may have done things wrong but I have immunity and you can’t touch me.
To me that they went directly to the only argument that can keep her out of hot water is telling, this should have been a last resort type of argument and it makes trying to make other arguments in her defense useless.
boricuafudd – I wonder if we will find out WHAT the investigator finds out while investigating Kruidbos’ claim? . Under the whistle blower act, they appoint investigators, to investigate the claim. Seems a little incestuous since it falls under Governor Scott & I am less than hopeful that it will be objective, I hope I am wrong.
Yes, and usually this is a good lithmus test of the political support of the person. In this case the State is in a pickle any unfavorable conclusion almost guarantees the State will have to shell out big $ for BK and possible sanctions as well.
IIRC, and I may be thinking of another case, but, the lady who was fired and suing state because of getting fired, the one that Wesley White worked with. IIRC, the state hired an independent attny to represent the state, AND IMMEDIATELY like few days, found exculpatory evidence that the State HAD NOT TURNED OVER and contacted the counsel and did so. I hope that this would happen in this case also. Seems there are a lot of cases pointing to Corey and her minions not being up to the sniff test. I am sure there are a lot of good, hardworking and honest people there, and hoping that they can bring this corruption into the open. Look at BK, he knew he had legit fears, that didn’t happen over night and I think that they have opened a can of stink bait and the smell has drawn some critters to dig around and find out what the smell is all about…
Don’t ask me how I got on David Horowitz’s mailing list — I don’t remember, and usually didn’t open the e-mails. But I felt compelled to open the one with the heading “introducing TruthRevolt”. I’m guessing the reasons why I was susceptible to a name like that is the same reason this thing was created, because the content of the e-mail was right in line.
Nettles, please delete this is posting the content of the e-mail is inappropriate.
Dear Sad,
At last! A multi-media campaign that will take the battle to the radicals and demagogues who spin the nation’s news.
I want to tell you about the Freedom Center’s new initiative, TruthRevolt.org, that’s gearing up to expose the hypocrisies and mendacities of the leftwing media, and confront them with a counter-attack they won’t be able to handle.
There has never been anything like TruthRevolt before and the people who about to feel its slings and arrows ought to be afraid… very afraid.
Al Sharpton, for instance. Al, you’d better buckle your seat belt because that free ride you’ve had is about to get very bumpy.
You are probably used to seeing a slimmed down version of the Rev — dressed in a coat and tie and staring pleasantly into the camera. But Sharpton is a not a “commentator.” He is one of the most pernicious racial demagogues of the last half-century. He is a convicted liar who falsely accused a district attorney and five other innocent whites of raping 15-year-old Tawana Brawley in 1987 and then hounded the men, although it was Brawley who made up the story herself.
Sharpton is the man who raged against the “white interloper” who owned a store in Harlem, after which one of his followers torched the store, with causing eight people, all of them Hispanic and black, dying in the ensuing fire.
Sharpton is the lynch mob leader who challenged Jews in Crown Heights to “pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house;” days later, riots broke out in Crown Heights, and an Orthodox Jew was stabbed to death by a jeering mob.
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Very interesting, there had been many organizations in the past that attempted this but with diminishing returns as more of the populace just did not care enough to follow through. Even today the most successfully active organizations do not target sponsors because of this. They instead try to influence the lawmakers and recruit the young, establishing people who will continue their policies.
But then this is what they have to deal with, and I don’t know if anything can change that:
I don’t know if anything can change that:
Change will require a revolution, maybe an armed one… IDK but until citizens begin to rebel, we have no chance for change.
http://www.truthrevolt.org/
I got that, too. I used to follow Horowitz. His parents were hard core Communists and he understands the far left better than most conservatives. I have read several of his books. He’s a very good writer. I particularly liked his book describing how he dealt with cancer and the possibility of death. I didn’t like the conclusion he came to, but I like the way he expressed his expreience.
They were shooting for 1000 signatures for the Ritz thing the first day of their launch, and got 4000. I figure they will get more.
Thank you, Jordan! A triple-play on words (Sharpton’s Crackers ;-)) is not a common thing. I can still eat Cheez-Its, though, right?
I’m a little nervous about what else TR might end up doing, but this first move seems straightforward and justifiable imo.
You really go all out. We just go on a trip. We usually visit the kids over Halloween.
me?
Sorry I confused the thread flow. I meant to be replying to Jordan’s post above mine.
Well, while you guys have been blogging away, I put up this year’s Halloween decorations. A bit of whimsey. Here is a video of my home decorated. PLEASE turn up your sound and make sure sound is up on the video, go full screen HD … enjoy !!!
Have yall seen this from Monday nite 10/7/13 Megyn Kelly new show. SMH. Oh and the sister Valerie is the one whos group gave the TM Foundation the $57000.
They have done and got them ah CIVIL ATTORNEY http://www.thesandersfirmpc.com/
Civil Attny Twitter https://twitter.com/SandersFirmPC
mimi – MOM wrote a good opinion piece on this story & it seems it is MOM’s opinion that excessive force was used by LE. Her car had crashed, she had gotten out of the car to run on foot & was shot several times. In your video, they will explore how many times she had been shot, etc.
From MOM’s Blog:
Did D.C. Police Show a Lack of Restraint in the Shooting of Miriam Carey?
Even though Ms. Carey set this chain of events in motion and is ultimately responsible for the consequences, the lack of restraint by law enforcement has lead to the loss of yet another life and it’s left a 1-year-old child without her mother
http://omaralawblog.com/index.php/8-blog/23-did-d-c-police-show-a-lack-of-restraint-in-the-shooting-of-miriam-carey
It seems the family may have a case, imo, it seems she could have been shot in the leg or legs to prevent her from running, LE knew she had a child in the car but the child was free from harm at that point, LE could see her hands as she ran, she didn’t have a weapon visually apparent to them that she could have possibly used. This doesn’t seem to be a civil rights case in which the families lawyer specializes, but maybe better judgement could have been used as MOM suggests.
Geeeeeeeeeeeez Louise, there are so many “mentally ill” people that are functioning minimally it seems but what can be done? Obamacare isn’t going to make a big difference in their lives imo, Aaron Alexis the DC Navy yard shooter was said to be “delusional,” James Holmes from the Colorado Movie Theater tragedy suffered from mental illness to name just 2. Obama/Holder want to blame guns on everything, but it seems MENTAL ILLNESS is rampant & sadly, I don’t see how interventions can be done BEFORE someone or many are killed.
Art- You are right the police and secret service who also were in hot pursuit showed incredible lack of restraint, even considering that it is the Capital. I will say this in their defense, there was no way for them to know if the lady was a suicide bomber and failing to get to the WH was running to another target. Trying to shoot someone in the foot or legs would have still left her the ability to detonate a vest had she one, not that shooting a running person in the leg is probable.
There are several things wrong with the mental health system, in this country and also in Europe. Laws that were passed to protect the mentally sick, their advocates, lawyers and others makes care for them extremely difficult. We have done away with the ability to care for the mentally ill in facilities and in lot of cases just house them in prison. As prisons have become the Institutions of care for the mentally ill around the country.
boricuafudd – I am not advocating for Miram but I do agree w/MOM & I see your point that LE didn’t know if she could have possibly had the ability to detonate a vest etc.
Remember when the Boston Bomber that survived hid in a boat in a couples back yard? When LE found him, the boat was shot over 80 times & the boat was destroyed, the City DIDN’T OFFER to replace the families boat. Someone started a “GO FUND” account on the story & it raised over $ 40,000.00 for the family to buy a used boat just like the one they had. The family was thrilled/touched by the kindness of those that donated to replace their boat.
The reason I mention this is because shooting a boat over 80 times seems excessive, LE had infrared to show exactly where he was lying in the bottom of the boat, imo, I hope Miram wasn’t shot excessively but the autopsy report will come out.
Sorry, I did not mean to give the impression that I was advocating for either side. I just pointing out the circumstances at that time and that the LE had seconds to decide. Had Myriam stop running what would have happened, IDK.
There was a time when the police would have hesitated because she was a woman with a child, now, they just reacted. I try to put myself in the situation and I think I would have not shot her, but in the heat of moment, I can’t say for sure. The world has changed so much in a lot of regards, we have lost our innocence and confidence because of it.
boricuafudd – I too don’t think I would have shot her either but IDK, MOM pointed out in the opinion piece in this case & also the case of the biker attack, that these events happen so quickly, under pressure & stress that only when looking back at the event, we can analyze & see how things might have been done differently, BUT, he too points out, there wasn’t time for those involved.
Sadly, that is the crux of it all. A tragedy anyway you look at it, not to belabor on the LE but I think many are feeling very shitty right now, even if they believe they acted correctly.
Art- Here an article defending the LE he makes some good points but I am still not sure.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/use-of-force-do-critics-of-miriam-carey-police-shooting-have-a-case/
What is the truth? Did they remove the child first before shooting her?
I had a lot going on the day of this going on so didn’t follow it closely. Just thought it odd that first thing the family did was hire a Civil Rights Attny. Hindsight as they say is 20/20. And I am just talking off top of my head, so I may be out of line, not knowing a lot of the circumstances of that day, I think it was Dec that the lady told LEO that had been called, by childs father? that she made weird stmnts about Obama monitoring her and such. From lil I know it was bizarre what went on that day and who knows if she was shouting delusional stuff. IMHO Mental Illness is like so many other things, always been there, but once you become aware of things, you see it more. There are so many diff kinds of Mental Illness, if you will. And sadly there is so much stigma attached that some do not seek help because of it. I would say more often than not, people who bitch about others having, themselves have some form and just wont admit. Also, sometimes family or those close to an individual are in denial. As in this case, I heard at first the Mother of the lady said she was suffering from PPD. Then the family said no she wasn’t then LEO reports from Dec… Its evident the lady had mental issues. Could have been a much worse situation. Also I would venture to say there is no way for them to know she didn’t have a bomb on her or in her veh. And just because she had her baby with her doesn’t mean she didn’t. I mean look how she was acting, with her baby in there.
I better jump down from my soap box because I could go on and on. But again, I just thought it odd, and sadly par for the course it seems these days about the selection of legal representation acquired.
The Sandy Hook Shoot was a high function guy with Autism. It was not the Autism that was responsible for his mental illness. The mental illness was a separate issue. He was another with delusions and mental illness.
This is the lady who they are talking about that said she saw them take baby out then shoot..???
http://www.wnd.com/wnd_video/witness-baby-removed-from-car-before-miriam-carey-was-shot/
CHUMP moving on to another family…sigh….http://globalgrind.com/2013/10/06/trayvon-martin-lawyer-ben-crump-joins-kendrick-johnson-legal-team-details/
ROFLMAO! What the Hell is he talking about cutbacks (on his SS and Medicare?) SS Checks HAVE NOT BEEN CUT BACK… BUT if he owes student loans and doesn’t pay, yep NOW they can deduct from SS. MOOCH!!!
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This lady, after making her donation and post gets jumped on. (tho there is ALOT OF DIFF why GZ and Fam had donation site and Leatherhead) SMH
Linda Andersen says:
October 7, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Professor, yes, George Zimmerman is a grifter and so is his family, especially his father, who collects both Military and Virginia State retirement checks and STILL begs for money.
Please explain to me why you are any LESS of a grifter. I followed the trial religiously and truly appreciated your input. I just made another donation, but after a hemorrhagic stroke 3 years ago (I’m still paying off the hospital bills), funds are severely limited.
I don’t mean to be contentious, but why are two people with multiple post-graduate degrees unable to get jobs sufficient to keep a roof over their heads and put food on the table?
I am sure that I’m not the only one here who has concerns.
This one was yesterday MORNING.
BS… SS HAS NOT BEEN REDUCED BECAUSE OF A SEQUESTER. THIS MAN IS A FRAUD AND THIS IS WORSE WRONG THAN HE HAS IN HIS PITIFUL WAYS… Reminds me of the ole preachers on tv…. the CONS…
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I believe George Zimmerman’s parents are seeking donations because they had leave their home after Roseanne Barr tweeted their address. I think they’ve probably also been helping George financially. I don’t understand why they can’t sell their house, though. They said they’re staying mostly in hotels. It seems that over a long period of time it would be less expensive to rent an apartment and/or sell the house and buy another one.
PO – Aren’t GZ’s parents both retired & draw their retirement checks monthly? I too thought they had rented their family home to renters & are themselves renting. Nettlepedia would know for sure but they are not penniless as GZ was, they had monies coming in from their retirements.. They could have sold their house, I guess they chose not to maybe hoping to return to it.
The could not sell their house as it was used as collateral for the bond.
boricuafudd – I had forgotten about that, so I assume they now can sell their home if they decide to.
Yes, in this market though, it would be difficult and may cost them money. For example the condo’s that GZ rented were originally sold for $240,000 to start, you can now buy them for under $100,000. Now I know that may not affect the Zimmermans but the depression in prices certainly would.
boricuafudd – you’re right about the housing market, a good reason GZ’s parent’s may decide not to sell their home & something that never crossed my mind, but a sad reality.. Hopefully the market improves, but it could be years. I have a second home which is paid for I would like to sell but the real estate agent said it would sell for 20 to 25,000.00 less than its worth because of the housing market. I too am just going to keep the home until the market gets better.
Yes, it may take years but eventually they will rise. The problem for many is that they overpaid to begin with, the market was overpriced. Homes were selling for twice and even thrice their actual value, a correction was bound to occur. Just no one expected it to be that bad.
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/02/20/02-20-george-zimmerman-case-open-discussion-thread/#comment-324691
rz says:
February 20, 2013 at 9:15 am
Although I read each comment daily, I attempt not to comment. However, in a recent post, 18 February, a contributor stated – “If I were GZ’s parents, I’d refinance my house or cash in my retirement to pay for an expert for my adult son, especially if I believed in their innocence.”
Unfortunately, we have no retirement that can be ‘cashed in’. Additionally, we can do nothing with our house because it is collateral for George’s bond. We must pay a mortgage, taxes, insurance, utilities, HOA fees, and other expenses for a house we’re unable to live in. We must also pay for where we are currently staying.
Other family members, who we are also attempting to help, have been forced to leave their employment and relocate. As we have always done, we will continue to assist our children in any way possible.
As for my ‘believing in George’s innocence’. I believe I have a very thorough understanding of George’s actions on 26 February. I have presided over approximately 20,000 probable cause hearings, determining if individuals should be charge with a criminal offense. There is absolutely no doubt whatsoever that George should have never been charged with ANY offense – none.
Sincerely,
rz
Thanks Mimi, that was a point I made on the other thread as well.
LOL thanks Bori, yes you nettles and I were on same page. Sorry for duplicate post here and other thread. Just wanted to post for the person who was commenting about it here. I will take that discussion back on other thread 🙂
That is OK, I think that thread is too long a new one is needed if Nettie wants to continue.
I made a 2nd one.
Thanks! Always on the ball.
Only because your feedback helps keep me on the ball. Thank you!
Helping each other, what a concept!
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I got to learn how to do that! LOL!
Hold down the ALT button and press the number 3 on the numerical keypad (doesn’t work using the 3 on the top row of a keyboard.
When you release the ALT button ♥ appears.
♥♥♥♥Thanks♥♥♥♥
Thank you! I’ve been looking for this comment since someone brought up the family should sell their home. I read it at the time and I couldn’t find it here to show what he had said about that.
Note the date! The day the treehouse got the email from our anonymous sender. LOL
LMBO I posted same thing to you on other thread!!! just saw had comment light LOL. I will go back with my comments on this on other thread, just wanted to post for the person who commented. I am looking for something else I saw yesterday.
I found this link and would like to share. It is confusing to me STILL how GZs case became a race case, a case against self defense SO EASILY. I really wish I could have found more blogs that discussed the right to self defense. I feel if there was more focus on that right the race baiters on both sides would not have had a leg to stand on. Those being critical of MOM defending his clients use of deadly force may have bee a lil more ashamed to just focus on the black vs. white issue. Being that self defense has faced and contiunes to face such scruitiny and many places have no or little legal precedence I really wish we could have helped GZ and all others who had to face being branded a murderer!
http://www.thecrimereport.org/archive/killing-in-self-defense-2
When we look back at what happen, how the case was turned into first, one of racial profiling and the second one against self-defense. One has to really look at the circumstances on the ground, in Sanford. These facilitated the both the original outrage and lent it the feeling that it was racial. Second, it is also important to keep in mind that Trayvon’s family was connected with the civil rights groups that provided some of the money and organization to maintain the protest and transform the case. The CTH while they did talk some about the Masonic group that TM’s father belonged to, mostly in a mocking faction failed to realize that there are many professional black people, and that they have political clout in especially in Florida which has the most members it is not a weekend party for those involved.
+1
The Scheme Team even divided Churches?
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/04/25/sanford-pastors-seek-unity-over-trayvon-martin-case
UPDATE on Bikers attack on NY Family:
New video of NYC motorcycle road rage attack shows men kicking SUV driver!
As for the police officers who were part of the motorcycle group, Miller said a detective has come forward, and another police officer is getting ready to come forward.
“There are two other police officers who were in the ride,” Miller said. “So the police department has not actually sat down and done the Q and A with all of them. So this picture is unfolding more slowly than investigators would like.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57606470/new-video-of-nyc-motorcycle-road-rage-attack-shows-men-kicking-suv-driver/
imo, I do not believe the video camera conveniently “ran down” during the event. I too question WHY it took these officers, after lawyering up to try to save their jobs, 3-4 days to come forward IF they had done nothing wrong. I read somewhere, they had 24 hrs. to come forward. I think there were 5 officers there including the undercover, 2 detectives, & 2 beat cops, also participating were wardens that worked in the local prison system which may or may not be obligated to come forward, IDK.
Undercover cop seen on video attacking SUV!
The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the video shows the undercover officer banging on the rear window and shattering it. The victim is then seen being pulled out of the car and the undercover rides off, sources say.
Sources say the undercover was not truthful with investigators about his role. A law enforcement official said Tuesday that investigators are considering criminal charges against him.
This account was first published in the New York Post and confirmed by WNBC, the NBC owned-and-operated station in New York.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Undercover-NYPD-Cop-Window-Smash-Video-SUV-Biker-Brawl-226892961.html
This guy has gotten desk duty & is being paid, imo, he should have been fired immediately!
If all this is true, it is beyond disgraceful. I need more info. Remember we can’t always trust the media etc to give us all the facts!
winsome – up thread there are a lot of videos showing the attack as well as links, more videos have been turned in to LE, this video of the “undercover cop” was discovered on Monday night from one of those turned in. Investigators are going through those videos now. This video of the Und. Cop breaking out a window in the range rover is, imo, the reason he waited 4 days to admit he was there bringing along his attorney.
I wonder what the excuses will be for all the other LE officers were that n didn’t man up until days later too, another Detective is supposed to turn himself in today.
I saw the videos, bad stuff. And if true about “undercover cop” even more revolting. Looks like a real can of worms. Still want to wait for more facts too. I’ve gotten very paranoid now about believing everything I hear and only half of what I see 🙂
I wonder what they were undercover about….that in itself could tell something possibly, if they were undercover at the time. It could mean they were undercover.. as their line of work, or undercover working a case. So as far as the undercover not coming forward… that could not be a total truth. Behind scene LEO may have had to figure out something. Horrible situation no matter. **I have a very good friend who son is/was SWAT and does a lot of stuff undercover. He has been right up under their nose, so to speak in public and they not even know it was him. Very scary line of work. Bobbie and her husband are proud of him, but hate it because of so much he goes thru he cant share with anyone. It cost him his marriage and they still love one another much, but so many demons I guess,
And yep WINSOME… we have learned over the years about believing stuff we read / hear huh lol. Especially now days where fakes make it look so REAL. SMH
I certainly agree and police officer who participated in the violence should have the book thrown at him. They should be promoting law and order not contributing.
I saw another video that begins earlier before this, in this video you can see how the riders would drive up to a car and force them to the side which other motorist were doing. When they got to the SUV, who was in the middle lane some riders ride ahead to try to pull him to the right, then more riders come up on both side of the SUV. It appears that someone in the back of one of the bikes throws a water bottle at the SUV which hits the SUV and sails over it. The SUV seems to pick up speed until he was surrounded again, this time as you can see in the video the rider slows down and is bumped by the SUV. The SUV driver slows down and pulls to the right and he is swarmed by other riders who are hitting the SUV and slashing his tires. At this point it appears as if he panics, he tries to veer to the left and avoid the other riders but runs over a rider and some bikes which were parked in front of him to keep him from leaving.
In the CBS video the rider that was taping, says he saw a water bottle being thrown out of the SUV, like out of the sunroof, the video that had been posted on YouTube actually shows what appears to be a bottle being thrown at the SUV and bouncing over the vehicle.
Good they have actual video about the water bottle. Really not too believable that a man with family in car would try to provoke a huge bunch of bikers…
There lots of different footage, the original video from the rider on CBS was not the only one with helmet cam, some is out there but most have been deleted but the police appear that they have them.
Bori, didn’t you say that was your old stomping ground? Or did misread that. If you are familiar with this type of huge biker group, how in the world do they get a way with breaking so many laws, stopping traffic etc. OK, call me naive… I’ve lived in large cities before, but never seen anything like this.
Could be a reason for undercover cops being there? Just brainstorming, not making any judgment. Seems some of these guys have some pretty shady pasts. I am curious….
Mimi I’m curious too. Strange that there were so many cops in the group… We’ll be hearing more I’m sure, but maybe not all the details we’d like.
That’s what I am thinking too…
Some time back the bikers would request a permit from the city and they would even provide them with Motorcycle cops to escort them and clear the path. But as may have seen from the videos the riders were disruptive, dangerous and caused accidents with both pedestrians and other vehicles. The city was being held liable and was sued successfully on several occasions.
The permit were restricted and some bike clubs were even banned from entering the city. The bikers that caused the problems usually were affiliated with any club but they got the blame nontheless. So they started gathering and doing without permits or escorts. But they had to gather further away and stay away from city streets to avoid getting arrested or fined.
So now they just stay on the highways ride around the island of Manhattan and stay away from the city streets, but even on the highways they are disruptive and the areas where they gather downright dangerous.
Thanks Bori. Really a good explanation of the problem. Just the number of bikers all riding together, make it a dangerous situation. And when tempers flare between the motorists and bikers, bad things are going to happen – scary.
Yes, which was the reason the city stopped sanctioning them. And it was scary, I recall almost getting run over by the bikers before the ban.
boricuafudd – I didn’t believe the water bottle was thrown from Mr. Lien’s sunroof, I thought at first the biker lied, but maybe he didn’t see the water bottle thrown by another biker because the one that threw the water bottle was most likely behind him, R, he could still be lying. Yu are right, there are several videos & more will be coming out.
I can’t believe how stupid some of the bikers were to POST the videos to you tube, copied by some that watched & I would think forwarded to Investigators BEFORE they could be taken down by the bikers.. I think too several videos were taken of the Good Samaritan & the beating by on lookers & those screaming at the bikers to stop the beating. Investigators said “they have a lot of videos turned into that they are pouring over.”
It looks like what has been approved is mostly cosmetic so far. But never fear the lawmakers are known for making things worse.
Well the did manage to prevent trayvon from claiming stand your ground by eliminating the inital agressor clause
I thought of that too. They’d have to make getting out of your car or keeping an eye on a person you think is suspicious an act of aggression. Good luck with that.
*to make GZ the initial aggressor.
Interesting – Maybe they are actually improving the law 😉
I realize the legislators are under a lot of pressure to do something but acting on the wrong perceptions of the case is a recipe for further problems. For instance, without defining what is the “initial aggressor” in a objective manner this could be trouble.
Any restrictions of Constitutional rights to NW will not pass muster. Then there is the delusion that the SPD said it could not investigate because of the law which was never said but it was believed by the Trayvots, even addressing this only gives credence to them.
Bori, couldn’t agree with you more.
I take issue with the way this is worded, Zimmerman said he followed Trayvon Martin as the teen walked back to the condo where his father was staying. The two confronted one another, with fatal results.”
Zimmerman only followed far enough to see which way Martin was going and then couldn’t see him until he surprised him with a sucker punch. That’s not exactly the two confronting one another with fatal results. The “confrontation” happened close to Zimmerman’s vehicle. If he’d followed Martin home, it would have been closer to Martin’s house.
Update on Kruidbos case: 12 — 10/8/2013
10/8/2013
STIPULATION FOR SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL ROBERT RIEGEL JR., VANESSA HODGERSON AND FOWLER WHITE BOGGS
captain – I looked up the “legal definition” because I wasn’t sure of exactly what it meant”
Definition:
This means that you are agreeing to release your counsel from the case. Many attorneys will ask for this if you are not paying your bill, or you are not getting along. If you do not sign this, then they have to ask the court to be relieved as counsel.
http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/what-its-means-stipulation-for-substitution-of-cou-166163.html
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I am disappointed that apparently White isn’t going to continue, imo, he was excellent in his filings & his opinions when interviewed, as a former employee himself, maybe it was too intense, IDK but I’m disappointed.
Just checked the docket in both Duval County where Angela Corey is based and Volusia County where Shiping Bao worked and nothing has been filed on behalf of Dr Bao
red lobster incident turned out to be hoax by waitress http://www.wsmv.com/story/23613965/red-lobster-customer-has-handwriting-expert-study-receipt
That was very cruel. He’s getting death threats. Seems the media should be talking about how immoral death threats are instead of stirring things up and turning a blind eye to death threats. It’s almost as though death threats have become socially sanctioned.
In an interview Thursday, Jenkins said she posted the picture to make a point about racism, not to single out Barnes.
^Highly suspect. He should go after Red Lobster to investigate who could have accessed that receipt and examine all of those people’s handwriting. Her weird statement here makes it look like the waitress did it herself, or was in on it.
Sounds like Ophrah Winfrey’s little stunt to convince people racism still exists. She made up a story.
It’s a little like Oprah’s stunt.
LMAO! PO ~ the first “racism stunt” Oprah pulled was about the “Hermes Shop” in St. Bart’s in the French West Indies several years ago, though it is true that I didn’t see any A American’s on my trip there to vacation, it’s mostly inhabited byh French. She claimed they locked the store so she couldn’t get in which is laughable. The rumor died down quickly the first time.
This last claim back fired in her face & she was taken to taken to task by the shop owner/sales person that all but called her a “liar.” Oprah’s credibility was on the line much to her surprise I bet. Conveniently the “Butler” was about to be released & probably a publicity stunt imo. ,
New thread is not working, Nettles.
Perhaps starting a new thread of what’s on your mind might help. It gets confusing when it is too long. Maybe “What’s on your mind, October 9” tomorrow.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll put a new thread up later tonight.
This one “Test Audio Posts”?
It was a test thread. I suspect Nettles wanted to, uhmm, test something and deleted it after she was done.
Got it
Coreshift, you are a very smart fella!
I have looked and can not find… 😦
Someone commented (mimi?) one one of these threads about SD not letting the GZ case go…and mentioning the closing of the TM foundation.
Can someone point me to that comment?
You’ll find it on the bottom of the Email II thread.
Thanks.
Nettlepedia ~ I have enjoyed all the topics shared on this thread, THANKS for being so creative, PLEASE CONSIDER continuing the thread as well as a GZ thread..
I didn’t get caught up in the “email thread” nor keep up w/all the events that it encompassed while it was going on nor now, I mainly stuck to the facts in the case, not speculation & opinions offered by SD at the TCH & left there early on due to the attitudes of many especially about MOM which I thought was STUPUID since SD was NOT an attorney NOR were his “mods” that I am aware of. I had no respect for SD & his theories & didn’t waste my time there. Many seem certainly interested in unraveling all that happened about the “emails” which is their prerogative, I am just glad the trial is over & GZ is free. I too am glad GZ hasn’t been in the news except for the Dean’s finding some of the items they “accused” GZ of taking, which imo, was not a negative towards GZ but more of Dean’s ineptitude projected by their accusations.. jmho.
Thank you. It wasn’t my idea but the feedback I got from some who didn’t want to follow the email issue(s).
Being from another country, I largely ignore the political issues being posted but given your government is shut down right now, I get the need to talk of it. In furture, I hope politics is a topic we can stay away from. But it’s our blog so the wants and needs of everyone must be considered. We’ll have to practice tolerance with the topics of no interest to us and that include the admin. at this site 🙂
Nettles – the thread too imo, encompassed a lot more than politics, which is of interest to some, not so much others, I agree, politics/religions are volatile subjects many times. There are so many interesting cases & laws at issue curenbtly, I too enjoyed reading about personal experiences of our bloggers living in different cities, etc.
I too enjoyed the discussions on cases that MOM has opined on on his blog, It’s great imo that he is explaining legally the legalities of high profile cases in the news, he answers questions many of us have. Can’t believe he finds time to “opine” when he is so busy, lucky for us.
I’m enjoying the personal stuff some are sharing too. It’s nice getting to know more about the voices I’ve been talking to for over a year now.
Thanks so much for being a part of it.
What on my mind?
We should have this post every week!
I am feeling much better after my visit to the Drs. I will be finishing my round of prendisone and besides the side effects initially I can BREATHE finally after two months! I have to head back Friday to recheck lung function. I feel tight now and then but the wheezing is gone. I hate the Drs!
On another note the weather is getting cooler here in the East. We went from summer to fall lickity split. I ache everywhere. But I have to keep moving or I get stiff. If I move too much it hurts. My knee caps feel turned inside out. My arms ache,my back is killing me, & even my heels hurt. I do not take any narcotics. I really believe when we hurt our body tells us to pay attention. Sometimes though there is little you can do. But I will do what I can with a clear head.
So I am upping my B12 and streaching much more. I know it will not be immediate relief but it eventually helps. Most of my issues are from the Lyme Disease @ 13, over 25 yrs ago! and after all this time I have been pretty good. But getting older is not being so kind to Danny.
Thanks for hearing me complain!
I just want to put this here for now so we all remember these words. Reason being Sundance has halfed assed research skills and must read law like he does the bible (what applies to his wants)
“sundance says:
October 9, 2013 at 4:37 am
I don’t think VP knows the foundation is closed. 😉
It really only means in the eyes of the State and Federal IRS, the foundation as a corporation does not exist. It does however mean that their tax exempt status is also gone and they are accountable for taxes on anything the foundation has taken in”
To be continued…..
George Zimmerman focus of Anderson Cooper special!
George Zimmerman may be in for the satirical treatment from “South Park.” The Comedy Central series offers an episode called “World War Zimmerman” at
10 p.m. Wednesday (tonight).
But Zimmerman is getting the serious treatment, too. Anderson Cooper will present “Tragedy on Trial: The George Zimmerman Story” at 10 p.m. Sunday. The program is presented under the banner “Anderson Cooper Special Report.”
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/blogs/tv-guy/os-george-zimmerman-focus-of-anderson-cooper-special-20131009,0,4075722.post
Ugh!
I read this from your neck of the woods, you know anything about it?
http://nextbigfuture.com/2013/10/crowdfunded-security-in-oakland-it-is.html
Yep. Some of the more affluent neighborhoods are collectively hiring private security through their neighborhood crime prevention councils. OPD is so understaffed and underfunded, thanks to the useless mayor and most of the council, that the cops are overwhelmed responding to priority calls, homicides and violent crime. Burglaries get a minimal response and street robberies are constant.
Berkeley cops are doing a good job tracking the thugs robbing folks so our thugs are using Oakland for business.
In my hood, we had another quiet summer, this is the 4th summer with only a handful of shootings, huge improvement. The west side of Berkeley is hosting most of the gang shootings, but one guy did get his brains blow out a few blocks from us. I am working on house repairs and remodeling projects, so spending less time on the internet.
Merritt Landry the guy that shoot the 14 year old professional thief teen, is facing some of the same problems that GZ faced. A politically based prosecution, this time led by the mayor of New Orleans who is a brother to Senator Mary Landrieu and who has aspirations at higher office.
On Sept.5th the New Orleans DA, was contemplating sending the case to the Grand Jury before proceeding but he said he needed 30 days to decide we are still waiting for his decision. Here is an update;
http://www.thebrennerbrief.com/2013/09/21/will-new-orleans-repeat-trayvon-martin-with-the-merritt-landry-case/
Bori- It is my guess that the biggest difference with the GZ and the Landry cases is that Sharpton and Jackson didn’t show up in NO demanding that Landry be arrested and jailed immediately because the shooting was racially motivated. It sounds like Landry thankfully has some strong voices on his side, including blacks. From what the article said he has the Home Defense Org. on his side. It appears they have some clout. Landry has much more support from the community and orgs. than GZ ever did.
Also, doesn’t Landry have a black guy who set up a donation site to help with Landry’s living expenses as he had to leave his home because of the incident. The media plays as much a role in destroying people’s lives as anyone else. They camp out at people like Landry’s home and make life miserable for everyone in the neighborhood, mostly with the accused.
That has been the dynamic so far, the prosecutor is also waffling. That area is a high crime area, there was a murder some houses down that very same night.
I just wanted to point out the political issue, which is playing a big factor on the case.
There is another difference, and that is the blacks in the area support the man who shot the teen.
They are tired of the violence, but it is not all blacks as there has been at least 3 large demonstrations against Landry. The last was the same day the article I link was posted. They have their own Sharpton wannabe stirring the pot. Maybe Mimi can tell us about him if she knows.
it is like one group pitting themselves against the other group.
The boy in question was already well known as a professional thief. His family need help coping because they lost their husband and father, meaning that the boy in question was out of control since his father died. The brother was not coping well with the extra responsibility. HOWEVER, I note that the brother wants Landry charged over the incident.
Just found more of Crump’s handiwork. On the Dade County Family Court docket all documents regarding paternity actions and child support demands filed against Tracy “Fruit” Martin are completely redacted.
They have to protect the image they created, the lie must live on.